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    Re: Shocking Anti-Islam Ad Campaign Coming To New York City Buses And Subways

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    "Radical Islam.." as defined by whom? A bunch of paranoid right wing zealots who see a terrorist under ever rock? This is worse than the "commie hunts" of my childhood...
    OK so you don't see radical islam as an enemy. I understand.

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    Re: Shocking Anti-Islam Ad Campaign Coming To New York City Buses And Subways

    Given the large numbers of American Muslims who live in New York City, I don't see this going over very well. And, of course, it is a stupid thing to alienate people like this. American Muslims aren't the problem. They're regular secular people, just like the rest of us. This campaign is no different than suggesting that every American Christian is a KKK member in the making. It'll do no good, and make a lot of regular people bitter.
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    Re: Shocking Anti-Islam Ad Campaign Coming To New York City Buses And Subways

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    OK so you don't see radical islam as an enemy. I understand.
    That is not what he's saying.

    What he's saying is the definition of Radical Islam has grown so wide among many extreme right wingers that it includes many innocent people.

    And in that way I absolutely agree with that from FearandLoathing

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    Re: Shocking Anti-Islam Ad Campaign Coming To New York City Buses And Subways

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Afternoon F&L. I think the evidence is very clear the number of Islamofascists are growing and the moderates of Islam have allowed it because they have not found a voice to stand up against it. That does make it dangerous in the sense these Imams and clerics spreading a message of hate and intolerance of anyone different than them are allowed to continue building up their numbers. Last I read there are 33,000 of these hatemongers globally. Many are nationalists/citizens of countries in the West. Australia just thwarted a planned spree of beheadings from a group of ISIS members last week. It is a Britain national that has beheaded two American citizens. It is estimated the U.S. has approx. 400 Muslim citizens who have left this country to fight with ISIS in Syria/Iraq. The Boston Marathon bombers were nationalized Muslims from the former USSR. The officer in our military, a Muslim who had close ties to one of these radical Imams went on a shooting rampage killing three and wounding a dozen at Ft. Hood. And he recently was in the news because he wrote a letter asking to join ISIS.
    Fort Hood shooter writes to ISIS leader, asks to join - CNN.com
    So until the moderates of Islam find a pair and start pushing back against these hatemongers,...... when the Saudi's, the Jordanians, the Turks and other Muslim countries start sending in their own damn militaries to fight these groups that THEY have allowed to take hold with their digusting, deplorable behavior in the name of God to be tolerated, then the "religion" itself has become a danger.


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    If there is "clear evidence" of a growth in terrorists then post it.

    Having said that I do know that Islam is a very individualized religion, there is no pope and no leadership structure. Each Mosque like Sikh Temples are autonomous, so a non Muslim's opinion on what is happening in a large and diverse community spanning several races is not reliable. The assistant manager of my credit union is a Muslim and I know she's not a terrorist and the other I know is a cop so I can assume we can rule him out.


    If the issue is terrorism, fight terror. But launching a clear hate campaign because some Muslims pulled off some bombings is not on. and while you point out the Islamic based terror incidents I like to point to Tim McVeigh and some other white Americans as well.
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    Re: Shocking Anti-Islam Ad Campaign Coming To New York City Buses And Subways

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Free speech isn't absolute, nor is any other right.

    By your definition, beheadings should be shown in schools. Otherwise you're infringing on islamists right to speak.

    And I never really said they shouldn't place the ads, just that it is unforgivably stupid to do so.

    My old dog was anti free speech. If you took him close to one of those horrible abortion pics at the park he would pee on them. (Good boy!)
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    Re: Shocking Anti-Islam Ad Campaign Coming To New York City Buses And Subways

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    OK so you don't see radical islam as an enemy. I understand.
    You draw that conclusion from my post?

    I never said "radical Islam" was not an enemy but asked what IS radical Islam?

    You can't even define it. You aren't even aware of what terrifies you.

    I was wrong. I thought the left had the market on drawing asinine conclusions from thin air.....
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    Re: Shocking Anti-Islam Ad Campaign Coming To New York City Buses And Subways

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Given the large numbers of American Muslims who live in New York City, I don't see this going over very well. And, of course, it is a stupid thing to alienate people like this. American Muslims aren't the problem. They're regular secular people, just like the rest of us. This campaign is no different than suggesting that every American Christian is a KKK member in the making. It'll do no good, and make a lot of regular people bitter.
    Those bitter people will have to just get over it. This is still a free country.
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    Re: Shocking Anti-Islam Ad Campaign Coming To New York City Buses And Subways

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    And a good afternoon to you too Ves...



    If there is "clear evidence" of a growth in terrorists then post it.

    Having said that I do know that Islam is a very individualized religion, there is no pope and no leadership structure. Each Mosque like Sikh Temples are autonomous, so a non Muslim's opinion on what is happening in a large and diverse community spanning several races is not reliable. The assistant manager of my credit union is a Muslim and I know she's not a terrorist and the other I know is a cop so I can assume we can rule him out.


    If the issue is terrorism, fight terror. But launching a clear hate campaign because some Muslims pulled off some bombings is not on. and while you point out the Islamic based terror incidents I like to point to Tim McVeigh and some other white Americans as well.
    Tim Mcveigh fried for his crimes and no one defended white supremacists.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Shocking Anti-Islam Ad Campaign Coming To New York City Buses And Subways

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Those bitter people will have to just get over it. This is still a free country.
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    Re: Shocking Anti-Islam Ad Campaign Coming To New York City Buses And Subways

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Given the large numbers of American Muslims who live in New York City, I don't see this going over very well. And, of course, it is a stupid thing to alienate people like this. American Muslims aren't the problem. They're regular secular people, just like the rest of us. This campaign is no different than suggesting that every American Christian is a KKK member in the making. It'll do no good, and make a lot of regular people bitter.
    Where are the American Muslim voices denouncing these clerics and Imams that spread messages of such vile hatred in the name of their God? All I hear are "crickets". Here in Ohio, and North in Michigan, these Muslim congregations have been caught aiding and abetting those who were planning terrorist attacks and just recently here in the Columbus a group of Muslims from the local congregation were involved in a ring kidnapping young girls and selling them as sex slaves that crossed state lines into Minnesota. Seems Britain has had a real problem with that one too. So spare me with the KKK analogy. The KKK is not growing in numbers but has diminished because people of the Christian faith would not tolerate it. Same with the Westboro Baptist bozos.

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