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    Re: Shocking Anti-Islam Ad Campaign Coming To New York City Buses And Subways

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    There's that link again between leftists and Islamists.
    Have you noticed that everuthing Libbos stick up for always has an anti-American element to it?
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    Re: Shocking Anti-Islam Ad Campaign Coming To New York City Buses And Subways

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    Conservatives advocate government control. They want laws to control the behaviour of citizens, a nanny state that makes drugs illegal because they're bad, makes gay rights illegal because they're offended by gays, makes abortion illegal because they want control of women, etc.
    Conservatives have always been on the side of authoritative government, on the side of more power for police, on the side of more laws, more control, against individual rights and liberties. They talk liberal values of personal freedom but they walk conservative values of government control.
    Those are only very extreme Conservatives, for one and two there are Liberals who agree.
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    Re: Shocking Anti-Islam Ad Campaign Coming To New York City Buses And Subways

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Yeah sure. Lets make yelling "FIRE!" In a theater OK too. And legalize kiddie porn while we're at it. Wouldn't want to infringe on the pedophiles' rights, right?
    Are yoi ready to outlaw all public criticism of every religion?
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    Re: Shocking Anti-Islam Ad Campaign Coming To New York City Buses And Subways

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Are yoi ready to outlaw all public criticism of every religion?
    Nah. Just the obviously problematic.

    Terrorists LOVE public transportation.

    So putting this stuff on buses is stupid.

    Put it on free standing billboards. Let em take their anger out on a sign.
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    Re: Shocking Anti-Islam Ad Campaign Coming To New York City Buses And Subways

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Nah. Just the obviously problematic.

    Terrorists LOVE public transportation.

    So putting this stuff on buses is stupid.

    Put it on free standing billboards. Let em take their anger out on a sign.
    Violate our civil rights to appease the terrorists?
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    Re: Shocking Anti-Islam Ad Campaign Coming To New York City Buses And Subways

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Violate our civil rights to appease the terrorists?
    Free speech isn't absolute, nor is any other right.

    By your definition, beheadings should be shown in schools. Otherwise you're infringing on islamists right to speak.

    And I never really said they shouldn't place the ads, just that it is unforgivably stupid to do so.

    My old dog was anti free speech. If you took him close to one of those horrible abortion pics at the park he would pee on them. (Good boy!)
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    Re: Shocking Anti-Islam Ad Campaign Coming To New York City Buses And Subways

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    No one said "ban".

    And it is a perfect example.....unless you have reliable statistics showing that more than 1% of the world's Muslims are fanatics.

    This is more than "highlighting" dangers, this tells people Islam is dangerous....where it leads is "internment camps" like you did to the Japanese in WWII
    Afternoon F&L. I think the evidence is very clear the number of Islamofascists are growing and the moderates of Islam have allowed it because they have not found a voice to stand up against it. That does make it dangerous in the sense these Imams and clerics spreading a message of hate and intolerance of anyone different than them are allowed to continue building up their numbers. Last I read there are 33,000 of these hatemongers globally. Many are nationalists/citizens of countries in the West. Australia just thwarted a planned spree of beheadings from a group of ISIS members last week. It is a Britain national that has beheaded two American citizens. It is estimated the U.S. has approx. 400 Muslim citizens who have left this country to fight with ISIS in Syria/Iraq. The Boston Marathon bombers were nationalized Muslims from the former USSR. The officer in our military, a Muslim who had close ties to one of these radical Imams went on a shooting rampage killing three and wounding a dozen at Ft. Hood. And he recently was in the news because he wrote a letter asking to join ISIS.
    Fort Hood shooter writes to ISIS leader, asks to join - CNN.com
    So until the moderates of Islam find a pair and start pushing back against these hatemongers,...... when the Saudi's, the Jordanians, the Turks and other Muslim countries start sending in their own damn militaries to fight these groups that THEY have allowed to take hold with their digusting, deplorable behavior in the name of God to be tolerated, then the "religion" itself has become a danger.

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    Re: Shocking Anti-Islam Ad Campaign Coming To New York City Buses And Subways

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    The First Amendment says that Congress shall make no law prohibiting the free exercise [of religion]. The Supreme Court extended that ban to the states not long before World War II. What law is involved here?

    Almost anyone can make almost any legal argument--the question is whether it would get anywhere in court. I don't see how this even comes close to fitting anything in the Supreme Court's free exercise jurisprudence. No one is firing a Muslim for following a practice his religion demands, and then denying him unemployment insurance. No zoning board is denying a mosque a building permit just like the ones it issues for other religious buildings.

    And I strongly disagree that anything in those ads promotes "hatred of a religion." Since when is pointing out evils done in the name of Islam promoting hatred of Islam? HAMAS and CAIR are part of the same Islamic supremacist effort--both are creations of the Muslim Brotherhood. The Mufti of Jerusalem did hate Jews and did directly help Hitler during WWII. The yellow SOB in those photos did gruesomely murder the man he posed with.

    If Muslims don't like getting called out for the atrocities some of them are committing, then let them do more to stop those things. And let people in the West realize that by being so determined to accommodate the exquisitely sensitive feelings of Muslims, they are serving as the Islamists' helpmates. Every time we change the way we do something to suit their liking, we are helping them impose their will and their way of life on us.

    If they can make us trip over ourselves trying to keep them happy, they get their way without ever having to fire a shot. "Ha! The unbelievers are so decadent and weak that all we have to do, these days, is make a few angry scowls, raise our voices, and they start to grin and ask how they can please us!" If some cartoon offends them, or if they're peeved that we don't all just jump for joy at their plan to erect an enormous mosque near the site of the attack on the World Trade Center, that's just too damn bad. To hell with them.
    My argument is not that terrorists aren't bad and not that most terrorists today are Muslims. My argument is with the placement of the ads in a government facility.

    Do you agree that the NYC transit system is a government entity, owned and operated by NYC and funded partially by NYC and the State of NY?

    Do you agree that a regulation established by a government entity fits the definition of a "law" as provided in the Constitution?

    Do you agree that the degradation of a religion is the equivalent of the promotion of a religion, when the government is the one degrading/promoting?

    If you don't agree, then we have no need to further discuss the matter. If, however, you do agree, I would argue that a "law" that enables the degradation of a religion is against the provisions of the first amendment related to "impeding the free exercise of religion".

    All of what you post is fine, from my perspective, just not when using a government service/facility.

    Seems to me, the Supreme Court determined that simply having a stone in front of a courthouse that contained the 10 commandments was against the first amendment rights of those who do not believe in the Christian faith. Seems to me, this action in NYC transit vehicles is similar in reverse.
    "Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." William F. Buckley Jr.

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    Re: Shocking Anti-Islam Ad Campaign Coming To New York City Buses And Subways

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    How do you go about denigrating a terrorist? These are violent people within the Muslim community and yet we seem to shy away from pointing that out, but this shyness is seldom exhibited when it comes to Jews. The original poster demontrated that and few outside the Jewish community protested.

    Jews (and now Christians) are being beaten, murdered and forced to flee from their traditional neighborhoods with little fuss being made. But put up a sign about Muslims, the aggressors in most of these cases, and people get very upset and, once again, the 'not all Muslims are terrorists" argument is raised, as though the public wasn't already aware.

    These are serious community problems but the hypotheticals only move the debate away from what we have at hand.

    I doubt it's the only way but what other suggestions would you have?
    See my response above - it expresses my view on your post as well.
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    Re: Shocking Anti-Islam Ad Campaign Coming To New York City Buses And Subways

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    My argument is not that terrorists aren't bad and not that most terrorists today are Muslims. My argument is with the placement of the ads in a government facility.

    Do you agree that the NYC transit system is a government entity, owned and operated by NYC and funded partially by NYC and the State of NY?

    Do you agree that a regulation established by a government entity fits the definition of a "law" as provided in the Constitution?

    Do you agree that the degradation of a religion is the equivalent of the promotion of a religion, when the government is the one degrading/promoting?

    If you don't agree, then we have no need to further discuss the matter. If, however, you do agree, I would argue that a "law" that enables the degradation of a religion is against the provisions of the first amendment related to "impeding the free exercise of religion".

    All of what you post is fine, from my perspective, just not when using a government service/facility.

    Seems to me, the Supreme Court determined that simply having a stone in front of a courthouse that contained the 10 commandments was against the first amendment rights of those who do not believe in the Christian faith. Seems to me, this action in NYC transit vehicles is similar in reverse.
    If someone has a problem with it, let them take it to court. But until then, if I lived in NYC with the daily reminder that it was a few Muslim religious radicals that took over three thousand innocent lives in an act of terror with the knowledge they live among us and their numbers are growing, it's time to stop walking on eggshells and stop letting evil hide behind a religion.

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