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    Re: Shocking Anti-Islam Ad Campaign Coming To New York City Buses And Subways

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Err the only symbolism connected to the scarf is if it is worn as Arafat did.. which was in the form of Palestine. Else it is nothing but a headpiece worn across the Arab world due to the heat.
    It's true that the scarf is typical Arab farmer stuff. However, because Arafat wore such a thing, it has become symbol of Palestinian resistance to Israel. That's probably why Gellen was so distraught over something similar in appearance. Likewise, around here a flannel shirt is just a flannel shirt. Around DC for politicians on the candidate trail, the flannel shirt becomes a symbol of the working class, rural values, and so on.

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    Re: Shocking Anti-Islam Ad Campaign Coming To New York City Buses And Subways

    Frankly I don't see what they are even hoping to accomplish running ads like that. Just about everyone already associates the Muslim world with terrorism.
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    Re: Shocking Anti-Islam Ad Campaign Coming To New York City Buses And Subways

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Fanatics like Westboro Baptist type who don't even make up 1% of the population are put into their place by We the People so using them isn't a good example.
    The ads are not banning all of Islam. That is another fallacy. But they do highlight the dangers of the radicals within that religion.
    It is high time the moderates of that religion start speaking out against the atrocities and intolerance. If they don't, then what is one to think? Maybe that they actually all believe the rest of us to be infidels and not worthy of their time and effort? This happy horse sh*t has gone on long enough. The key to reigning in this radicalism is within the religion itself. If these folks can't get their sh*t together to do the right thing, then pox on their houses. Enough of the crap.


    No one said "ban".

    And it is a perfect example.....unless you have reliable statistics showing that more than 1% of the world's Muslims are fanatics.

    This is more than "highlighting" dangers, this tells people Islam is dangerous....where it leads is "internment camps" like you did to the Japanese in WWII
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    Re: Shocking Anti-Islam Ad Campaign Coming To New York City Buses And Subways

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Islam is a politically correct religion. Liberals are obligated to defend it. I believe the anti-American/anti-democracy ellements make Islam acceptable to Liberals.
    and all this time I believed that the United Stats constitution provides for the free practice of religion, and here you are an expert not only what Islam is all about, but the intent of more individuals than even live in the Excited States.

    Have you shared this astonishing insight about Islam with any theologists?

    But I guess if you no longer believe in the provisions of the constitution you should join with Obama, he hates it too. "Too limiting"m we hear, which in this case means "I can't put people I hate in jail.."
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    Re: Shocking Anti-Islam Ad Campaign Coming To New York City Buses And Subways

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    No one said "ban".

    And it is a perfect example.....unless you have reliable statistics showing that more than 1% of the world's Muslims are fanatics.

    This is more than "highlighting" dangers, this tells people Islam is dangerous....where it leads is "internment camps" like you did to the Japanese in WWII
    There are no reliable statistics. I've seen figures ranging from 3% to 36%. Take your pick. I do think it is a positive thing to remind people that radical islam is our enemy.

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    Re: Shocking Anti-Islam Ad Campaign Coming To New York City Buses And Subways

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    There are no reliable statistics. I've seen figures ranging from 3% to 36%. Take your pick. I do think it is a positive thing to remind people that radical islam is our enemy.


    "Radical Islam.." as defined by whom? A bunch of paranoid right wing zealots who see a terrorist under ever rock? This is worse than the "commie hunts" of my childhood...
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    Re: Shocking Anti-Islam Ad Campaign Coming To New York City Buses And Subways

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I didn't say anything specifically about free speech rights - I said first amendment rights. You are aware the first amendment to the US Constitution involves more than just free speech. It also provides protection against " impeding the free exercise of religion". Can not an argument be made that when publicly own facilities are used to promote hatred of a religion, the government is impeding the free exercise of that religion? I have no opposition to these ads themselves being placed on private buildings or other private facilities if the owners of those buildings/facilities want to be associated with the speech presented. That is entirely different from the ads being placed on public property, property that is partially owned and paid for by some who are being targeted in the ads.
    The First Amendment says that Congress shall make no law prohibiting the free exercise [of religion]. The Supreme Court extended that ban to the states not long before World War II. What law is involved here?

    Almost anyone can make almost any legal argument--the question is whether it would get anywhere in court. I don't see how this even comes close to fitting anything in the Supreme Court's free exercise jurisprudence. No one is firing a Muslim for following a practice his religion demands, and then denying him unemployment insurance. No zoning board is denying a mosque a building permit just like the ones it issues for other religious buildings.

    And I strongly disagree that anything in those ads promotes "hatred of a religion." Since when is pointing out evils done in the name of Islam promoting hatred of Islam? HAMAS and CAIR are part of the same Islamic supremacist effort--both are creations of the Muslim Brotherhood. The Mufti of Jerusalem did hate Jews and did directly help Hitler during WWII. The yellow SOB in those photos did gruesomely murder the man he posed with.

    If Muslims don't like getting called out for the atrocities some of them are committing, then let them do more to stop those things. And let people in the West realize that by being so determined to accommodate the exquisitely sensitive feelings of Muslims, they are serving as the Islamists' helpmates. Every time we change the way we do something to suit their liking, we are helping them impose their will and their way of life on us.

    If they can make us trip over ourselves trying to keep them happy, they get their way without ever having to fire a shot. "Ha! The unbelievers are so decadent and weak that all we have to do, these days, is make a few angry scowls, raise our voices, and they start to grin and ask how they can please us!" If some cartoon offends them, or if they're peeved that we don't all just jump for joy at their plan to erect an enormous mosque near the site of the attack on the World Trade Center, that's just too damn bad. To hell with them.

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    Re: Shocking Anti-Islam Ad Campaign Coming To New York City Buses And Subways

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    Muslims are among the most conservative people in the world. Muslim states hate liberals, hate gays, believe in traditional gender roles, believe in laws based on religious values- a natural fit with conservatives.
    A lot of those Muslims also loathe the United States. That makes them a natural fit with so-called liberals, many of whom share that loathing, even while they take up space here.

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    Re: Shocking Anti-Islam Ad Campaign Coming To New York City Buses And Subways

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Well, I would be opposed to any ad on any public building, facility, vehicle, etc. whose sole purpose is to denigrate any identifiable group of people.
    How do you go about denigrating a terrorist? These are violent people within the Muslim community and yet we seem to shy away from pointing that out, but this shyness is seldom exhibited when it comes to Jews. The original poster demontrated that and few outside the Jewish community protested.

    Jews (and now Christians) are being beaten, murdered and forced to flee from their traditional neighborhoods with little fuss being made. But put up a sign about Muslims, the aggressors in most of these cases, and people get very upset and, once again, the 'not all Muslims are terrorists" argument is raised, as though the public wasn't already aware.

    To take it off religion, suppose someone wanted to put up an ad that basically labeled all black youth as gun toting, drug dealing, murderous criminals. There's no doubt there are some black youth that fit the bill but is it appropriate for government owned and operated facilities to disseminate such bigotry? Why should a black youth, minding his/her business, doing no harm to anyone, have to sit in a subway car with an ad condemning him/her simply because they're part of an identifiable group? Why should average Muslims be subjected to the same scenario?
    These are serious community problems but the hypotheticals only move the debate away from what we have at hand.

    If this is the only way that western society has to go in order to solve the problems in the world, we're in deep trouble.
    I doubt it's the only way but what other suggestions would you have?

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    Re: Shocking Anti-Islam Ad Campaign Coming To New York City Buses And Subways

    Quote Originally Posted by Frodly View Post
    Not only are the ads bigoted nonsense, spreading hate and lies at the behest of an evil and disgusting woman, they don't understand even the basic realities of the situation. The reason so much US aid goes to Islamic countries is for two reasons, oil and Israel. We are told we shouldn't send aid because they hate Jews, but the whole reason we send aid to countries like Egypt and Jordan is to maintain Israeli security. We gave almost no aid to Egypt prior to Camp David, but after they became the second largest recipient of US aid (after Israel of course). So not only is this stupid in the obvious ways, but even for the things they support, they don't understand how to support them or what that support means.
    Point out the lies, for sure, but why the ad homs? Do you feel that adds to your credibility?

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