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    Re: Poll says we want change

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Dems & Reps seem to have an almost "romantic" view of their own party. They wish and believe it to be something it's not, yet they refuse to see exactly what it is.

    They can't see the truth due to their blind "love" of what they think the party should stand for.
    Thanks for the more clear description of what you meant by "romance" but the poll (if it's to be believed) suggests that many are not as "romanced" as you portray. While there are definitely party loyalists, there are a variety of measures which suggest that is declining such as Congress' low approval rating and the increasing # of independents.
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    Re: Poll says we want change

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    That's the problem in a nutshell. Even here in NH where we actually have a chance to vote for all of the people who run (not just whatever is left over by the time the primaries get to your state) and it seems we still end up with whoever the "machine" is pushing.

    People love to say we need to replace all the politicians and so on, but come general election day, you know 1 of the 2 will win, so even if you don't care for either one, you often times end up picking the lesser of 2 evils (as I did in 2008 when I voted for McCain).

    Nothing is going to change. Am I bad for saying that?
    This is what I've seen as well. People talk and talk and talk, but every election we see the same old type of people get elected.

    I've stopped voting for the lesser of two evils because in the end you're still getting evil. (You as in general you, not you personally).

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    Re: Poll says we want change

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Thanks for the more clear description of what you meant by "romance" but the poll (if it's to be believed) suggests that many are not as "romanced" as you portray. While there are definitely party loyalists, there are a variety of measures which suggest that is declining such as Congress' low approval rating and the increasing # of independents.
    Many studies have shown that the discontent usually reflects peoples opinions on the "other guys".

    As in, everyone else is corrupt, but the guy/party I vote for and support is trustworthy.

    This is reflected your post about poll answers showing one thing, who gets elected showing quite another.

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    Re: Poll says we want change

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    This is what I've seen as well. People talk and talk and talk, but every election we see the same old type of people get elected.

    I've stopped voting for the lesser of two evils because in the end you're still getting evil. (You as in general you, not you personally).
    Sometimes the lesser of 2 evils to me isn't really that evil. It may not be my ideal candidate, but he/she isn't disasterous, where I often think the alternative is or could be disasterous.

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    Re: Poll says we want change

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    No you're not bad. You may be cynical, but you're not bad. You may be brutally honest and in touch with political reality in the US, but you're not bad.
    Thanks.

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    Re: Poll says we want change

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Sometimes the lesser of 2 evils to me isn't really that evil. It may not be my ideal candidate, but he/she isn't disasterous, where I often think the alternative is or could be disasterous.
    Well I guess that is a matter of opinion I suppose. In the past 4 presidential elections I have looked at the candidates as both disasterous.

    And no, I don't think of you as bad, I just have a differeing opinion than yours is all.

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    Re: Poll says we want change

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    Americans are tired of the political establishment and want change, according to an AOL News poll.

    When given the choice of Democrat Hillary Clinton, Republican Mitt Romney or "I hope someone else runs," an overwhelming majority of people opted for the devil they don't know.

    More than 51,000 people voted as of Tuesday morning, and 61 percent of them are against either of the presumptive frontrunners in the 2016 presidential election.

    A meager 26 percent said "Hillary all the way" and only 13 percent think "Mitt Romney is the man with the plan."

    The AOL News poll ran from Monday afternoon until Tuesday morning.


    It came on the heels of the former first lady and secretary of state appearing in Iowa over the weekend and only hours after a major Romney donor told Fox Business that he expects the former Massachusetts governor to take one more shot at the White House.

    Readers also voiced their opinions in over 2,600 comments: opinions were sharply divided.

    "I think anyone would be better than Hillary Clinton, one who can not be trusted, believed or depended upon to do the right thing for the country instead of what's good for Hillary," wrote Betty Hensley.

    Rick Pollock, responding to Hensley's anti-Clinton comments, wrote: "Hillary's agenda is very pro women. Shame on you."

    Hensley's comment was most "liked" on Facebook by AOL readers.

    "I would not vote for Romney as dog catcher," said Robert Perez. "He's out touch [sic]."

    That comment was echoed by many who griped that the former Bain Capital chairman's excessive wealth is a reason why he would not be a good leader. Others saw his personal success as the exact attribute one looks for in a leader.

    AOL.com Article - Anyone but Hillary or Romney: Americans want real change in 2016 presidential election

    fairly large poll

    51k respondents

    not good news for Clinton or Romney followers
    Yeah, well the media kind of controls who wins elections. This is why I'm opposed to media outlets endorsing candidates..

    Then again - it isn't actually the medias fault - it's the individuals fault for buying the crap that is drilled into their heads.

    People claim they want change but vote for the same crap every 2 and 4 years.

    I think most only care who is republican, democrat, tea party or libertarian and instead of listening to their positions on the issues just vote party line or knee-jerkingly.

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    Re: Poll says we want change

    It is a carousel. We have an incompetent government. People tend to blame the political parties. One party messes things up. They elect the other one. Then that party messes things up and then back to the other party. Nobody ever deals with the incompetence. We just trade one incompetence for another.

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