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    Re: Daniele Watts says she was detained for ‘showing affection’

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    But of course, they *WERE* suspected of a crime, the cop was responding to a 911 call reporting a crime so the cop, like it or not, had every right to ask for ID because he was investigating a criminal complaint. It isn't like he just walked up to them out of the blue.
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    Re: Daniele Watts says she was detained for ‘showing affection’

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    Unless you're black. Then it's your god given right to fornicate in public and anyone who says it's not is a racist.
    Perhaps she thinks they are jealous too?

    Rather interesting she is being outed by a tool of her own generation, the phone video and the cops own hidden audio. Wonder what her publicist will do with that?

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    Re: Daniele Watts says she was detained for ‘showing affection’

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    That's fair, and thanks. I've personally never understood the fear of identifying oneself when asked, but then with the exception of driving over the bloody low speed limits on occasion, I'm not involved in illegal activity.

    In this situation, it seems quite clear to me that the officers involved were called to the scene, the car and occupants were identified, and the officers proceeded to investigate the situation that raised the complaint. If laws are similar in California as they are here, officers can't charge someone with indecent exposure and/or lewd conduct unless the officer his/herself witnesses the behaviour. As such, if she had simply identified herself and her husband/partner she would likely have been cautioned about lewd behaviour in public and sent on their way. By escalating the matter, she put herself in the unfortunate position.

    The upshot is a bunch of negative publicity - but I guess for a struggling actress, any mention in the media is a good thing - but for her husband/partner, it's probably not too helpful depending on his career.
    Oddly enough, in some circles this woman is being lauded as hero of the civil rights movement. To some folks out there her antics are the modern equivalent of Rosa Parks.

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    Re: Daniele Watts says she was detained for ‘showing affection’

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    That's fair, and thanks. I've personally never understood the fear of identifying oneself when asked, but then with the exception of driving over the bloody low speed limits on occasion, I'm not involved in illegal activity.

    In this situation, it seems quite clear to me that the officers involved were called to the scene, the car and occupants were identified, and the officers proceeded to investigate the situation that raised the complaint. If laws are similar in California as they are here, officers can't charge someone with indecent exposure and/or lewd conduct unless the officer his/herself witnesses the behaviour. As such, if she had simply identified herself and her husband/partner she would likely have been cautioned about lewd behaviour in public and sent on their way. By escalating the matter, she put herself in the unfortunate position.

    The upshot is a bunch of negative publicity - but I guess for a struggling actress, any mention in the media is a good thing - but for her husband/partner, it's probably not too helpful depending on his career.
    My kid brother is a retired cop and his advice to me, echoed by pretty much every other cop friend I've ever had, is that the police job is to find something to arrest you for and to provide as minimal cooperation as you can get away with. Given that advice from
    people who did the job I personally maintain a healthy skepticism of all cops. And I'm not involved in any illegal activities either but that's not the point really. To me it's just kind of hard to feel like I'm a free person in a free country if someone can just come up to me for any reason and demand that I identify myself.
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    Re: Daniele Watts says she was detained for ‘showing affection’

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Oddly enough, in some circles this woman is being lauded as hero of the civil rights movement. To some folks out there her antics are the modern equivalent of Rosa Parks.
    Well, there was a woman at the Vikings game this past weekend wearing a Peterson jersey and carrying a switch, so no matter what the situation, you'll always find some whack job who'll support it.
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    Re: Daniele Watts says she was detained for ‘showing affection’

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    The call was for "indecent exposure" and was not something the officer witnessed himself - assuming the people in the car were clothed. Based on the it's very hard to see that he had legal justification for demanding ID.
    He doesn't have to witness it himself. A crime is a crime whether the cop saw it or not. Cops don't see the overwhelming majority of murders occur, do they just ignore it then? That's absurd.
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    Re: Daniele Watts says she was detained for ‘showing affection’

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Perhaps she thinks they are jealous too?

    Rather interesting she is being outed by a tool of her own generation, the phone video and the cops own hidden audio. Wonder what her publicist will do with that?
    The sense of entitlement and the utter disregard for the interests of others that this woman displayed is truly remarkable.....and disgusting. It's also quite telling that the cops reaction to her blaming the incident on race is straight cynicism. He's obviously heard the claim on a regular basis so I'm going to hazard a guess that this type of deportment from blacks in the LA area is normal.

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    Re: Daniele Watts says she was detained for ‘showing affection’

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    He doesn't have to witness it himself. A crime is a crime whether the cop saw it or not. Cops don't see the overwhelming majority of murders occur, do they just ignore it then? That's absurd.
    Don't bet the ranch on that. He's responding to an anonymous call. If he doesn't witness it himself he has zero evidence of anything. No evidence, no reasonably suspicion. No reasonable suspicion no justification to ask for ID or to make an arrest.
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    Re: Daniele Watts says she was detained for ‘showing affection’

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    My kid brother is a retired cop and his advice to me, echoed by pretty much every other cop friend I've ever had, is that the police job is to find something to arrest you for and to provide as minimal cooperation as you can get away with. Given that advice from
    people who did the job I personally maintain a healthy skepticism of all cops. And I'm not involved in any illegal activities either but that's not the point really. To me it's just kind of hard to feel like I'm a free person in a free country if someone can just come up to me for any reason and demand that I identify myself.
    I appreciate the "for any reason" part of your comments. Perhaps I come from a different generation - I was raised to respect police officers and I've never had any reason not to do so. It's my nature to cooperate with them and I've avoided numerous speeding tickets by being a gentleman, fully cooperative, and truthful. I'd use your phrase back at you and say it's usually not helpful if you're obstinate "for no good reason".
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    Re: Daniele Watts says she was detained for ‘showing affection’

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    Don't bet the ranch on that. He's responding to an anonymous call. If he doesn't witness it himself he has zero evidence of anything. No evidence, no reasonably suspicion. No reasonable suspicion no justification to ask for ID or to make an arrest.
    It wasn't an anonymous call, he talked to the person who made the call after this encounter and she specified that they were actually having sex in the car. They pointed out a tissue on the ground that she used to clean herself up. You need to pay closer attention to the news.
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