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    Re: Daniele Watts says she was detained for ‘showing affection’

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    So much drama...
    Exactly what I was thinking when viewing and listening to her "outrage". Who threatens a Cop with a publicist?

    I can only hope her princess drama results in the end of her career. Those who have worked so hard for equality don't need offensive prima donnas like this little twit as spokespeople.

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    Re: Daniele Watts says she was detained for ‘showing affection’

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Exactly what I was thinking when viewing and listening to her "outrage". Who threatens a Cop with a publicist?

    I can only hope her princess drama results in the end of her career. Those who have worked so hard for equality don't need offensive prima donnas like this little twit as spokespeople.
    Yawn!

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    Re: Daniele Watts says she was detained for ‘showing affection’

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Yes, in NYS you are required to show ID if the police have a reasonable suspicion. My understanding is that this varies from state to state and that in CA it is not a requirement and does not violate laws about obstructing an investigation
    Thanks. I was going to look up what the Ca stop and identify statutes were.
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    Re: Daniele Watts says she was detained for ‘showing affection’

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    Yawn!
    Oh, I'm sorry. I misunderstood your point. Another grave spitter.

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    Re: Daniele Watts says she was detained for ‘showing affection’

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Since when are you not required to show ID when you are the subject of a complaint of potential illegal activity? Is it your position that every individual who is a potential suspect has to be arrested, taken to jail, so that ID can be determined and police can ask a question?

    The need to exert "rights" in order to escalate an incident above and beyond the common sense of deescalating an incident is a symptom of the whole increase in disrespect for law enforcement and the escalation of confrontation as a standard MO in some circles.
    CJ, the laws vary from state to state. In some states if a cop asks you have to provide it. In others, most as far as I know, the cop needs to suspect you of having committing a crime. CA falls into the latter category as far as I know. If she and her hubby were sitting in a legally parked car and merely kissing the cop, on the face of it, has no legal justification to ask for ID. If they were fornicating that'd be a different ballgame.

    For me, it depends on the situation whether I'd comply or not.
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    Re: Daniele Watts says she was detained for ‘showing affection’

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    CJ, the laws vary from state to state. In some states if a cop asks you have to provide it. In others, most as far as I know, the cop needs to suspect you of having committing a crime. CA falls into the latter category as far as I know. If she and her hubby were sitting in a legally parked car and merely kissing the cop, on the face of it, has no legal justification to ask for ID. If they were fornicating that'd be a different ballgame.

    For me, it depends on the situation whether I'd comply or not.
    But of course, they *WERE* suspected of a crime, the cop was responding to a 911 call reporting a crime so the cop, like it or not, had every right to ask for ID because he was investigating a criminal complaint. It isn't like he just walked up to them out of the blue.
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    Re: Daniele Watts says she was detained for ‘showing affection’

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    CJ, the laws vary from state to state. In some states if a cop asks you have to provide it. In others, most as far as I know, the cop needs to suspect you of having committing a crime. CA falls into the latter category as far as I know. If she and her hubby were sitting in a legally parked car and merely kissing the cop, on the face of it, has no legal justification to ask for ID. If they were fornicating that'd be a different ballgame.

    For me, it depends on the situation whether I'd comply or not.
    I came across this answer to the ID question. They identified themselves as a 19yr veteran cop

    https://answers.yahoo.com/question/i...1011931AAbmgHG

    mikeysco answered 8 years ago

    So the answer to your question, given the very limited amount of detail you provided, is no...you do not have to show ID when requested for a "random" reason.


    HOWEVER:

    You are not going to be in any position to decide if the request is just a random one. The police might have a very valid reason to request your identification, and they are not required to tell you what it is before you hand over the ID.

    One sure way to find out if they have the legal right to demand your identification is to refuse to hand it over. If they have the legal right to demand it, and you refuse to hand it over, the next sound you hear will be handcuffs. If that's a chance you're prepared to take, then refuse all requests for identification from law enforcement. You'll only get arrested on those occasions when the request was legally justified.

    If you're one of those people who just object to the idea of telling the police who you are, get over it. We can and do make it our business to know who someone is if we have an interest in them. If you want to be the guy that refuses to identify yourself on principle, go for it. Be prepared to have unpleasant run-ins with law enforcement.
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    In my 19th year of California law enforcement.

    Moral of the story? Don't be a stupid fool. Get over yourself, show the ID, then go get a room.

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    Re: Daniele Watts says she was detained for ‘showing affection’

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Moral of the story? Don't be a stupid fool. Get over yourself, show the ID, then go get a room.
    Unless you're black. Then it's your god given right to fornicate in public and anyone who says it's not is a racist.

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    Re: Daniele Watts says she was detained for ‘showing affection’

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    CJ, the laws vary from state to state. In some states if a cop asks you have to provide it. In others, most as far as I know, the cop needs to suspect you of having committing a crime. CA falls into the latter category as far as I know. If she and her hubby were sitting in a legally parked car and merely kissing the cop, on the face of it, has no legal justification to ask for ID. If they were fornicating that'd be a different ballgame.

    For me, it depends on the situation whether I'd comply or not.
    That's fair, and thanks. I've personally never understood the fear of identifying oneself when asked, but then with the exception of driving over the bloody low speed limits on occasion, I'm not involved in illegal activity.

    In this situation, it seems quite clear to me that the officers involved were called to the scene, the car and occupants were identified, and the officers proceeded to investigate the situation that raised the complaint. If laws are similar in California as they are here, officers can't charge someone with indecent exposure and/or lewd conduct unless the officer his/herself witnesses the behaviour. As such, if she had simply identified herself and her husband/partner she would likely have been cautioned about lewd behaviour in public and sent on their way. By escalating the matter, she put herself in the unfortunate position.

    The upshot is a bunch of negative publicity - but I guess for a struggling actress, any mention in the media is a good thing - but for her husband/partner, it's probably not too helpful depending on his career.
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    Re: Daniele Watts says she was detained for ‘showing affection’

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    But of course, they *WERE* suspected of a crime, the cop was responding to a 911 call reporting a crime so the cop, like it or not, had every right to ask for ID because he was investigating a criminal complaint. It isn't like he just walked up to them out of the blue.
    The call was for "indecent exposure" and was not something the officer witnessed himself - assuming the people in the car were clothed. Based on the it's very hard to see that he had legal justification for demanding ID.
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