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    Re: Daniele Watts says she was detained for ‘showing affection’

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    It's also time to look at exactly how this "animosity" between cops and blacks is really generated.
    OK. You start

    How did this animosity between cops and blacks start?
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    Re: Daniele Watts says she was detained for ‘showing affection’

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I appreciate the "for any reason" part of your comments. Perhaps I come from a different generation - I was raised to respect police officers and I've never had any reason not to do so. It's my nature to cooperate with them and I've avoided numerous speeding tickets by being a gentleman, fully cooperative, and truthful. I'd use your phrase back at you and say it's usually not helpful if you're obstinate "for no good reason".
    I think this general scenario is really problematic of today's police force.

    It seems to me that the "investigation" really began and ended with checking this woman's ID, which is to say there really wasn't an investigation. The officers should up to a complaint, there was no evidence one way or the other, but the woman didn't show the officers enough respect so they hassled her a little bit. I'm generally a polite person but I think everyone should be uncomfortable with the idea that if you don't show the police enough respect that they can hassle you. There was no real reason for them to slap the cuffs on this woman then stuff her in a squad car. They just didn't like her attitude.

    But then why should I have to show respect for people who behave that way?

    If they behaved that way in any other profession we would be calling them assholes.

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    Re: Daniele Watts says she was detained for ‘showing affection’

    Quote Originally Posted by shavingcollywob View Post
    I think this general scenario is really problematic of today's police force.

    It seems to me that the "investigation" really began and ended with checking this woman's ID, which is to say there really wasn't an investigation. The officers should up to a complaint, there was no evidence one way or the other, but the woman didn't show the officers enough respect so they hassled her a little bit. I'm generally a polite person but I think everyone should be uncomfortable with the idea that if you don't show the police enough respect that they can hassle you. There was no real reason for them to slap the cuffs on this woman then stuff her in a squad car. They just didn't like her attitude.

    But then why should I have to show respect for people who behave that way?

    If they behaved that way in any other profession we would be calling them assholes.
    There were a number of witnesses in an office building, one of which confronted the two while they were having sex...and they shunned the request for them to stop having sex because they could be easily seen.

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    Re: Daniele Watts says she was detained for ‘showing affection’

    [QUOTE=sangha;1063768207And again, there are more choices than "terry stop or arrest"[/QUOTE]


    Really? What kind of seizure was this, if it wasn't either a Terry stop or an arrest? No need to get peevish. That should be an easy question for someone who knows the law as well as you have claimed to.

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    Re: Daniele Watts says she was detained for ‘showing affection’

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    First off...she is the one who interjected race. It was a simple public indecency or prostitution investigation before that.

    Second, when investigating the alleged crime the cop should check the ID's of the people involved. If the woman came up as a known prostitute or the guy came up as a known John then there would have been cause to investigate further.

    The law doesn't need to change. What needs to happen is that people need to start understanding that the world doesn't revolve around them and that their farts don't smell like lilac. It's also time to look at exactly how this "animosity" between cops and blacks is really generated.
    By racial component I mean that posters are reacting one way because she's a black woman claiming racism.

    I'm not really sure why it would matter if she were arrested for prostitution. That has no real bearing on whether or not she committed a crime that day.
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    Re: Daniele Watts says she was detained for ‘showing affection’

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    There were a number of witnesses in an office building, one of which confronted the two while they were having sex...and they shunned the request for them to stop having sex because they could be easily seen.
    Then why weren't they arrested?

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    Re: Daniele Watts says she was detained for ‘showing affection’

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Really? What kind of seizure was this, if it wasn't either a Terry stop or an arrest? No need to get peevish. That should be an easy question for someone who knows the law as well as you have claimed to.
    Do you have a point?
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    Re: Daniele Watts says she was detained for ‘showing affection’

    Quote Originally Posted by shavingcollywob View Post
    By racial component I mean that posters are reacting one way because she's a black woman claiming racism.

    I'm not really sure why it would matter if she were arrested for prostitution. That has no real bearing on whether or not she committed a crime that day.
    SHE reacted the way she did, presumably, because she is black.

    Her claim was that the only reason the cop was questioning her is because she was black. She also claimed to simply be sitting there minding her own business. In a nutshell, she lied about what was happening, played the race card and then turned on the dramatics.

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    Re: Daniele Watts says she was detained for ‘showing affection’

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    OK. You start

    How did this animosity between cops and blacks start?
    I won't contest that there have been cases where cops have unfairly targeted blacks. I won't even contest that there have been situations where that abuse was systemic. Heck, I had this conversation with a client from Detroit who made a pretty good case about cops targeting blacks in the 50's and 60's because the unions didn't want any blacks in representative positions and if you had a record you couldn't be a representative. That being said, because it happened before or is happening in some places doesn't mean that it's happening everywhere or happening all that often.

    Furthermore, if we look at a lot of these cases where there is an accusation of racial bias we'll most often find that the initial contact was due to a criminal act or a lawful investigation.

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    Re: Daniele Watts says she was detained for ‘showing affection’

    Quote Originally Posted by shavingcollywob View Post
    Then why weren't they arrested?
    My point was about what lead to the police making an "investigation". There is a protocol for police who are sent to make an investigation.

    "There is no absolute requirement in California that a person carry ID or provide it just upon demand by a police officer," Beck said. "However, if you're being investigated for another offense and your identity is important to the investigation of that offense, then you must, by state law, comply with the legal authority of the officer -- which is to request your ID."

    Attorney Dmitry Gorin said he believed the officers had the necessary reasonable suspicion to ask for identification. Refusing to obey an officer's commands during an investigation and walking away could also be considered obstruction of justice, he said.

    “There is an easy way and a hard way in reality to deal with this situation. The officers can detain you in the back of a police car until they know who you are,” said Gorin, a defense attorney and former prosecutor. “They may want your identity to determine if you are on probation, have committed similar crimes or have an outstanding warrant."
    Conversation between Ms. Watts and Officer Parker...

    Watts insisted that the couple had done nothing wrong.

    “Somebody called, which gives me the right to be here, so it gives me the right to identify you by law,” Parker said, according to the recording, portions of which were first published by celebrity news site TMZ.com.

    “Do you know how many times I’ve been called, the cops have been called just for being black?” Watts said. “Just because we’re black and he’s white? I’m just being really honest, sir.”

    “Who brought up the race card?” Parker said.

    “I’m bringing it up,” she said.


    “I said nothing about you being black,” the sergeant responded.

    Parker said Watts walked away after refusing to provide her ID. He then radioed for the other officers to bring her back to the scene.

    When Watts returned, she cried as she berated and cursed the police. She was released after Lucas handed police her ID, and officers determined the couple were not wanted on outstanding warrants.

    In the audio, Parker told Watts the encounter would have lasted just a few minutes had she identified herself earlier. He pointed out that Lucas, who had been cooperative, had not been handcuffed.
    http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/l...916-story.html

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