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ISIS Strikes Deal With Moderate Syrian Rebels: Reports.....

NIMBY said:
Ground troops against ISIL are widely unpopular with the public--thus the GOP trying to push your President into ground troops before the election.
Ground troops would have caused the moderates to form a coalition with ISIL.
Giving your team something else to falsely whine about--yet you advised this .
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Still, you still cannot discern who BO's people were that were advising him. Which have nothing to do with the GOP. As usual you take anything someone says out of context. Again this is not just a US problem.

Once you figure that part out.....you will have the basics down.
 
PoS said:
We've been fighting Al Qaeda for over a decade and we have yet to take them out. Its obvious that a military solution isnt the answer and hasnt been for years.
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Well it never was just Military, which is why they then went with Judicial and laws. But its like I have been saying. Sometimes one has to fight fire with fire.
 
Sherman123 said:
If we supported them they would fight ISIS, they've more or less said as much for years now. It isn't surprising that beleaguered fighters would avail themselves of an opportunity to reduce pressure against them.
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We have been supporting them.....which ISIL would just take their equipment when they wanted it or it was given to them. From the beginning on their Commanders had more favorability for sharia law.

All these guys care about is getting into power. Nothing else.....but getting rid of the Shia and taking another Country for the Sunni to run and govern. Anything that follows that grand scheme they are all nicey nice like.
 
PoS said:
We've been fighting Al Qaeda for over a decade and we have yet to take them out. Its obvious that a military solution isnt the answer and hasnt been for years.
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We've been fighting drug cartels and street gangs for over a decade and we have yet to take them out. Its obvious that a law enforcement solution isnt the answer and hasnt been for years. ;)
 
ttwtt78640 said:
We've been fighting drug cartels and street gangs for over a decade and we have yet to take them out. Its obvious that a law enforcement solution isnt the answer and hasnt been for years. ;)
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Mornin Ttwtt. :2wave: Yeah, but did we ever offer those in poverty like 75k. For each physical body? :lol:
 
Iraqi army has to step up. Peshmerga are advancing on Mosul, but that is an Arab city. Syrian gambit is too dangerous to support the "rebels".
Use air power, support the Kurds to at least contain. But Iraq is just as important as Syria -where this thing started (AQI)
 
MMC said:
Mornin Ttwtt. :2wave: Yeah, but did we ever offer those in poverty like 75k. For each physical body? :lol:
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That would amount to $300K for a "poor" family of four - even the most ardent pro income redistribution fools do not foresee that level of a federal gravy train. ;)
 
ttwtt78640 said:
That would amount to $300K for a "poor" family of four - even the most ardent pro income redistribution fools do not foresee that level of a federal gravy train. ;)
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They can retire in those countries with that type of money.....and getting out life long poverty will bring some motivation. War of attrition. Less and less numbers means loss of ground and influence. Those cartels and their people will be forced to always be hiding. Knowing mobs of the poor are coming for them.
 
MMC said:
They can retire in those countries with that type of money.....and getting out life long poverty will bring some motivation. War of attrition. Less and less numbers means loss of ground and influence. Those cartels and their people will be forced to always be hiding. Knowing mobs of the poor are coming for them.
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Good morning, MMC. :2wave:

I sure wish I had the time available to figure out ways to beat the system - but knowing my luck, they'd probably change the system just when I thought I had it all figured out! :sigh: And then there's the Karma thing to consider, and nobody escapes that! :mrgreen:
 
polgara said:
Good morning, MMC. :2wave:

I sure wish I had the time available to figure out ways to beat the system - but knowing my luck, they'd probably change the system just when I thought I had it all figured out! :sigh: And then there's the Karma thing to consider, and nobody escapes that! :mrgreen:
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Myself.....I say we use them to go and take out terrorists. Give them a chance at some freedom, if they can survive.
 
Sherman123 said:
If we supported them they would fight ISIS, they've more or less said as much for years now. It isn't surprising that beleaguered fighters would avail themselves of an opportunity to reduce pressure against them.
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I don't agree. FSA has been receiving U.S. support. Before that, it was receiving support from various Arab states.

FSA is just another sectarian actor in Syria's conflict. It has had ample time to try to distinguish itself as a viable and better alternative and hasn't. All of those armed elements, along with the Assad dictatorship, have repeatedly shown little respect for civilian protections. This disregard is common in ethnic or sectarian conflicts, and that's the kind of conflict that is gripping Syria.

Weapons leakage from the FSA and other armed groups has been a problem long before now. Contrary to the idealistic myths put forth by its supporters, most notably Senator McCain, the FSA has never been very reliable. It has frequently shifted ties, including collaborating with the Al Qaeda-affiliated Nusra Front in the past. Its choice to partner with ISIS with full knowledge of ISIS's practices, goals, and attempted genocide against the Yazidis vividly illustrates that reality.
 
donsutherland1 said:
I don't agree. FSA has been receiving U.S. support. Before that, it was receiving support from various Arab states.

FSA is just another sectarian actor in Syria's conflict. It has had ample time to try to distinguish itself as a viable and better alternative and hasn't. All of those armed elements, along with the Assad dictatorship, have repeatedly shown little respect for civilian protections. This disregard is common in ethnic or sectarian conflicts, and that's the kind of conflict that is gripping Syria.

Weapons leakage from the FSA and other armed groups has been a problem long before now. Contrary to the idealistic myths put forth by its supporters, most notably Senator McCain, the FSA has never been very reliable. It has frequently shifted ties, including collaborating with the Al Qaeda-affiliated Nusra Front in the past. Its choice to partner with ISIS with full knowledge of ISIS's practices, goals, and attempted genocide against the Yazidis vividly illustrates that reality.
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This was from the NY Times April 27 2013.....giving us some detailed information on the Syrian Rebels/ Terrorists. Which now we will have the FSA and their SNC/STNC. The SLA, Al-Nusra, and what makes up the Syrian Opposition.

Islamist Rebels Create Dilemma on Syria Policy

In Syria’s largest city, Aleppo, rebels aligned with Al Qaeda control the power plant, run the bakeries and head a court that applies Islamic law. Elsewhere, they have seized government oil fields, put employees back to work and now profit from the crude they produce. Across Syria, rebel-held areas are dotted with Islamic courts staffed by lawyers and clerics, and by fighting brigades led by extremists. Even the Supreme Military Council, the umbrella rebel organization whose formation the West had hoped would sideline radical groups, is stocked with commanders who want to infuse Islamic law into a future Syrian government.

Nowhere in rebel-controlled Syria is there a secular fighting force to speak of.....snip~

http://www.debatepolitics.com/middle-east/171776-honor-syrian-rebels-w-90-a-2.html



We have had pretty much all the beginning info on the Syrian Rebels.....and what they are all about. Moreover BO knows exactly what he was giving them. They still couldn't get the job done. Infighting and then Assad.
 
donsutherland1 said:
I don't agree. FSA has been receiving U.S. support. Before that, it was receiving support from various Arab states.

FSA is just another sectarian actor in Syria's conflict. It has had ample time to try to distinguish itself as a viable and better alternative and hasn't. All of those armed elements, along with the Assad dictatorship, have repeatedly shown little respect for civilian protections. This disregard is common in ethnic or sectarian conflicts, and that's the kind of conflict that is gripping Syria.

Weapons leakage from the FSA and other armed groups has been a problem long before now. Contrary to the idealistic myths put forth by its supporters, most notably Senator McCain, the FSA has never been very reliable. It has frequently shifted ties, including collaborating with the Al Qaeda-affiliated Nusra Front in the past. Its choice to partner with ISIS with full knowledge of ISIS's practices, goals, and attempted genocide against the Yazidis vividly illustrates that reality.
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Oh heya DS. :2wave: Remember this from back in Dec of 2012? Right after BO won his re-election. Did BO and his team still want to say they didn't know anything? Still running away from with what he sent from Libya, huh? Well this is back when many of the MB backed Rebels Pledged against US intervention.


Syrian rebels defy US and pledge allegiance to jihadi group.....

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A total of 29 opposition groups, including fighting "brigades" and civilian committees, have signed a petition calling for mass demonstrations in support of Jabhat al-Nusra, an Islamist group which the White House believes is an offshoot of al-Qaeda in Iraq.
The petition is promoting the slogan "No to American intervention, for we are all Jabhat al-Nusra" and urges supporters to "raise the Jabhat al-Nusra flag" as a "thank you". "These are the men for the people of Syria, these are the heroes who belong to us in religion, in blood and in revolution," read a statement widely circulated on Syrian opposition Facebook pages.

Although Jabhat al-Nusra remains separate from the Free Syrian Army, many FSA leaders now recognise its strength and order their forces to cooperate with it.....snip~

Syrian rebels defy US and pledge allegiance to jihadi group - Telegraph
 
This shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. The US fecklessness in their ME policy over the last several years has left even the pro-West rebels with only one option: They trust ISIS threats more than they trust US promises.
 
jmotivator said:
This shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. The US fecklessness in their ME policy over the last several years has left even the pro-West rebels with only one option: They trust ISIS threats more than they trust US promises.
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Mornin' JM.....yeah I have been hanging on to this lil article for some time. That was when BO and his Team designated al Nusra to the Terror List. So from 2012.....until now. BO kept giving aid and assistance to these Guys.

Gladiator had up a thread about how BO then last year ordered 600 million more in direct aid to them. Which was when Assad started mopping them up.
 
For the love of all that is holy can we just leave? Who cares? Let them kill each other for a new caliphate. We just gotta deal with them when they are a threat to us. So covert stuff.
 
stonewall50 said:
For the love of all that is holy can we just leave? Who cares? Let them kill each other for a new caliphate. We just gotta deal with them when they are a threat to us. So covert stuff.
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Heya Stonewall. :2wave: Well at least lets show what BO and his Team was doing and knew about. Why things just aren't so coincidincy. You know how the BO-Bots get when bad news surrounds BO. Always keep it fresh for them. Just sayin. :lol:
 
MMC said:
I'll tell you why.....its about giving the Sunni another country to govern. It falls back to the same idea these terrorists have. Except with the Sunni and the Saud its about a United States of Islam.....just like Gadhafi's idea on a United States of Africa. Note once he started getting the backing how the West turned on him. Naturally that was a major threat to the Saud and Sunni's Grand Plan.....and could not be allowed into the scheme of things. It would be the so called Moderates new life with their version of Democracy.

Assad is the thorn that sticks into that Sunni Arab and the Saud's Side. Can't gain control of the Region without removing him and taking what Oil he has left.
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Yes, makes perfect sense.
 
MMC said:
Heya Stonewall. :2wave: Well at least lets show what BO and his Team was doing and knew about. Why things just aren't so coincidincy. You know how the BO-Bots get when bad news surrounds BO. Always keep it fresh for them. Just sayin. :lol:
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Yea. They start threads about Sarah Palin getting into a fight or whatever. That is "newsworthy." Lol.
 
MadLib said:
"Truces" don't really mean much in the Middle East. I find it unlikely that this ceasefire will last more than two or three weeks, and I wouldn't be surprised if ISIS is the first to break it.
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And whether they do or not, they'll certainly be blamed for such.
 
MadLib said:
I beg to differ. Sure, we didn't eliminate al-Qaeda as an organization, but we smashed their ability to carry out terrorist attacks against America and caused them to break up into decentralized and quarreling factions that are too focused on local conflicts to pose a threat to the homeland. The central al-Qaeda leadership that planned 9/11 has virtually no credibility or strength at this point.
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Oh dear!

Al Qaeda controls more territory than ever in Middle East

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/01/07/opinion/bergen-al-qaeda-terrority-gains/
 
PoS said:
How do you know Al Qaeda isnt planning another attack on US soil? You dont. Since they are still around they will keep trying. It doesnt matter if it takes years, they have all the time in the world.

And the bombings in Boston means they have many sympathizers who can carry it out so America isnt any safer.

You want to put a stop to terrorism against America then stop meddling in other countries. Its as simple as that.
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Nothing like pointing out the obvious.
 
MMC said:
This was from the NY Times April 27 2013.....giving us some detailed information on the Syrian Rebels/ Terrorists. Which now we will have the FSA and their SNC/STNC. The SLA, Al-Nusra, and what makes up the Syrian Opposition.
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The sectarian elements have been engaging in such practices since they first took up arms. That some in the U.S. Senate and also some pundits sincerely believe some of those groups are worthy of U.S. support has not been borne out by the facts.
 
PoS said:
How do you know Al Qaeda isnt planning another attack on US soil? You dont. Since they are still around they will keep trying. It doesnt matter if it takes years, they have all the time in the world.

And the bombings in Boston means they have many sympathizers who can carry it out so America isnt any safer.
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Did I say that we've magically put a stop to all terrorist threats forever? Before 9/11, al-Qaeda had a friendly regime that allowed it to set up terrorist training camps. It was the central leader of the global jihad movement: it's influence stretched from Sudan to Afghanistan. Today, it's been broken up into factions that are literally fighting for their survival wherever they are.

You want to put a stop to terrorism against America then stop meddling in other countries. Its as simple as that.
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Nonsense. We weren't "meddling" in Afghanistan when al-Qaeda set up a foothold there, and there are plenty of non-interventionist countries that experience terror attacks.
 
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