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    Re: ISIS Strikes Deal With Moderate Syrian Rebels: Reports.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    I think John Kerry makes John Kerry AND Barrack Obama look bad



    WHAT?

    "Long term?"

    It has become so clear why this walking lamp post never became president; astonishing it remains how he ever got elected to anything in the first place.

    "Teeny war" meets "long term" meaning three years....

    I don't know what's more frightening, the fact this inner tube is in a high position or the fact this is not Alzheimer's.


    My thought is.....here you go on TV and talk about this and now say it is war. But now the main Alliance they had in Syria which we were arming. Just made a pact with the Enemy we are after.

    Hows that for a way to start off this war?

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    Re: ISIS Strikes Deal With Moderate Syrian Rebels: Reports.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    My thought is.....here you go on TV and talk about this and now say it is war. But now the main Alliance they had in Syria which we were arming. Just made a pact with the Enemy we are after.

    Hows that for a way to start off this war?


    It would seem that Obama is unraveling.

    Seriously, Kerry has tripped him up so many times before, his well executed PR gambit was clearly written on a napkin. It vaporizes before it starts...

    This is not a good "start" no...
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    Re: ISIS Strikes Deal With Moderate Syrian Rebels: Reports.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    It would seem that Obama is unraveling.

    Seriously, Kerry has tripped him up so many times before, his well executed PR gambit was clearly written on a napkin. It vaporizes before it starts...

    This is not a good "start" no...


    Well Biden was the one that said we chase them to the Gates of Hell.....then we give Lebanon Hellfire Missiles and I am wondering what "hell" Joe was looking at, and or was that a clue?

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    Re: ISIS Strikes Deal With Moderate Syrian Rebels: Reports.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Well.....yesterday BO did come out and say the US is at War with IS.....he wanted to be clear since Kerry said we weren't at war. Would you say he is kind of making Kerry look bad?
    I don't think the President is trying to make his Secretary of State look bad. Instead, I believe the issue is a far bigger one and illustrates the lack of serious thinking that was given to the planning. Hence, there is no consistent message, a broad alliance was assumed before efforts were made to put it into place (minimalist contributions were attained afterward but no roles clearly defined and NATO member Turkey has refused to help out despite its being a beneficiary of the NATO alliance and generous humanitarian assistance to deal with war refugees), FSA and other sectarian groups were viewed as a solution when, in fact, they are a big part of the problem, and states with large shared interests in defeating ISIS who could be helpful in this particular case (Russia and Iran) were largely or wholly excluded, etc. Aside from a reasonable end goal and some building blocks i.e., aid to the Kurdish forces, Iraqi forces, counterterrorism, and air strikes, what was laid out as a plan hasn't really been vetted meaningfully. Barring changes, that lack of vetting probably increases the probability of a muddled outcome in which ISIS will be dented but far from destroyed in the near-term and perhaps through the rest of the President's term.

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    Re: ISIS Strikes Deal With Moderate Syrian Rebels: Reports.....

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    The biggest lesson not learned from the invasion of Iraq is that the tyrant you know, may be in power because he's the best fit for the population of the area he rules. Under Hussein, Iraq wasn't a particularly nice place to live but as far as we were concerned, controllable. Egypt under Mubarak, same thing. Libya under Kadaffi, likewise. We had a hand in removing all three tyrants and saw each nation devolve into chaos. Now I'm not sure why our government is at odds with Assad. One thing we do know however is that lots of the factions that oppose him are worse than he is. I think that the enemy of my enemy is my friend theory applies here.
    ... its a "lesson' that should have been "known" before we ever went into Iraq. I ALWAYS believed the invasion of Iraq was one of the biggest bonehead moves of American history (not just the decision to go, but the plan of occupation, which there apparently was none... and the exit strategy, which was also lacking).... I am now thinking it is one of the biggest bonehead moves of world history.....

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    Re: ISIS Strikes Deal With Moderate Syrian Rebels: Reports.....

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    I don't think the President is trying to make his Secretary of State look bad. Instead, I believe the issue is a far bigger one and illustrates the lack of serious thinking that was given to the planning. Hence, there is no consistent message, a broad alliance was assumed before efforts were made to put it into place (minimalist contributions were attained afterward but no roles clearly defined and NATO member Turkey has refused to help out despite its being a beneficiary of the NATO alliance and generous humanitarian assistance to deal with war refugees), FSA and other sectarian groups were viewed as a solution when, in fact, they are a big part of the problem, and states with large shared interests in defeating ISIS who could be helpful in this particular case (Russia and Iran) were largely or wholly excluded, etc. Aside from a reasonable end goal and some building blocks i.e., aid to the Kurdish forces, Iraqi forces, counterterrorism, and air strikes, what was laid out as a plan hasn't really been vetted meaningfully. Barring changes, that lack of vetting probably increases the probability of a muddled outcome in which ISIS will be dented but far from destroyed in the near-term and perhaps through the rest of the President's term.
    Long and protracted like some say. Now the largest force we armed makes a pact with Terrorists. Knowing exactly what they are. Already the Saud and others are ready to throw out the money.

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    Re: ISIS Strikes Deal With Moderate Syrian Rebels: Reports.....

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    ... its a "lesson' that should have been "known" before we ever went into Iraq. I ALWAYS believed the invasion of Iraq was one of the biggest bonehead moves of American history (not just the decision to go, but the plan of occupation, which there apparently was none... and the exit strategy, which was also lacking).... I am now thinking it is one of the biggest bonehead moves of world history.....
    You have not learned the lesson grasshopper. The lesson was about the acceptance of tyranny and despots, not about the invasion of Iraq.
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    Re: ISIS Strikes Deal With Moderate Syrian Rebels: Reports.....

    How much money do you think exchanged hands here?
    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    It appears we now have a major problem with BO's plans for a coalition, and in giving arms and training to the MB Sunni back Rebels. How do you think this affects what BO and Kerry were stating with regards to Syria?
    Imagine the reaction of the MB Sunni backed rebels if Mr. Obama had listened to
    McCain, Graham and the rest of the CheneyBots wanting fighting USA boots on the ground.

    This so-called truce would have turned into a coalition between ISIL and MB Sunni backed rebels--
    and GOP warhawks would be wailing on that also.

    First you wanted war--now yer complaining about repercussions over less than the war you got.
    You've really outdone yerself on this OP in talking out of every side of your mouth.

    It's obviously transparent that the GOP and their posters will do anything to win an election and try to slam BHO on foreign policy,
    including playing despicable politics with our soldier's lives .
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    Re: ISIS Strikes Deal With Moderate Syrian Rebels: Reports.....

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    How much money do you think exchanged hands here?

    Imagine the reaction of the MB Sunni backed rebels if Mr. Obama had listened to
    McCain, Graham and the rest of the CheneyBots wanting fighting USA boots on the ground.

    This so-called truce would have turned into a coalition between ISIL and MB Sunni backed rebels--
    and GOP warhawks would be wailing on that also.

    First you wanted war--now yer complaining about repercussions over less than the war you got.
    You've really outdone yerself on this OP in talking out of every side of your mouth.

    It's obviously transparent that the GOP and their posters will do anything to win an election and try to slam BHO on foreign policy,
    including playing despicable politics with our soldier's lives .


    Here, so you can have an idea as to what you are talking about.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/war-te...post1063753375


    Oh and just so you know.....these were BO's top people who he didn't want to listen to. Not McCain, Graham or any GOP. So you will need to find some different tangent to come with.


    Report: Obama Overruled 'Best Military Advice' on Ground Troops to Fight ISIS.....

    The Washington Post reports today that when the president tasked military leaders with devising the best strategy to defeat ISIS, the Pentagon presented a plan that involved a limited number of combat "boots on the ground." They were rebuffed, in favor of a more politically-palatable light footprint approach:

    Such a mission was not the U.S. military’s preferred option. Responding to a White House request for options to confront the Islamic State, Gen. Lloyd Austin, the top commander of U.S. forces in the Middle East, said that his best military advice was to send a modest contingent of American troops, principally Special Operations forces, to advise and assist Iraqi army units in fighting the militants, according to two U.S. military officials. The recommendation, conveyed to the White House by Gen. Martin Dempsey, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, was cast aside in favor of options that did not involve U.S. ground forces in a front-line role, a step adamantly opposed by the White House...Recommitting ground combat forces to Iraq would have been highly controversial, and most likely would have been opposed by a substantial majority of Americans. But Austin’s predecessor, retired Marine Gen. James Mattis, said the decision not to send ground troops poses serious risks to the mission. “The American people will once again see us in a war that doesn’t seem to be making progress,” Mattis said. “You’re giving the enemy the initiative for a longer period.”.....snip~

    Report: Obama Overruled 'Best Military Advice' on Ground Troops to Fight ISIS - Guy Benson

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    Re: ISIS Strikes Deal With Moderate Syrian Rebels: Reports.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
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    Report: Obama Overruled 'Best Military Advice' on Ground Troops to Fight ISIS.....
    Ground troops against ISIL are widely unpopular with the public--thus the GOP trying to push your President into ground troops before the election.
    Ground troops would have caused the moderates to form a coalition with ISIL.
    Giving your team something else to falsely whine about--yet you advised this .
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