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    Re: ISIS Strikes Deal With Moderate Syrian Rebels: Reports.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    You said "Well, this has been going on for decades. If there was a problem with this policy in regards to the goals of the political class, our regional policy would have changed. Thus, we can conclude that the policy of destabilization is most likely deliberate". Since you mentioned 'destabilization" I assumed there must have been a time when it was 'stable'.
    Well, given the history of outside involvement, not just from the US but from other powers as well, the region has never really been given a chance to see if it could actually stabilize.
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    Re: ISIS Strikes Deal With Moderate Syrian Rebels: Reports.....

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    What you dont seem to get is that Al Qaeda is not a monolithic entity that constantly sends terror teams to attack us, they mutate constantly everytime we try to take them down and in fact their biggest threat is not a direct attack (they've done less than half a dozen in a decade) but rather their ability to influence other groups or individuals to attack America. Iraq, Libya and Syria has been destabilized thanks to our meddling and now even more extreme terror groups that have the same agenda as Al Qaeda will now be poised to attack us, lets not even include American and British citizens who have been radicalized by what we've done and can strike us directly in our own borders...

    So no, AQ's influence has grown and youre too blind to see it.
    I'm not talking about "influence," I'm talking about ability to harm us directlly. Where are the terrorist training camps? What happened to the symbolic leader of al-Qaeda? How come al-Qaeda's current leadership can only operate in Pakistan and has little control over what other jihadi groups do across the world?

    It's impossible to stop individual terror attacks. Those occur as a result of psychological issues or perceived social injustices against the individual, not normally as a result of foreign policy. On that note, domestic terrorism is likely the greatest threat to the US no matter what we do overseas - we have home-grown extremists such as the militia movement within our own borders.
    We were meddling in Afghanistan- you didnt know about the CIA supporting the Afghan warlords when the Soviets attempted an occupation?
    And we couldn't care less about Afghanistan after the Soviets left. America was pretty much hands-off until al-Qaeda had attacked the US multiple times and were the guests of the Taliban.

    Name me some non-interventionist countries that experienced terror attacks then.
    I don't recall that Yemen or Afghanistan had been particularly keen to intervene in the affairs of sovereign countries. Israel usually stays out of the internal politics of other countries, yet has experienced terrorist attacks from Lebanon and Sinai.

    And there's this attack against the kingpin of non-interventionist countries: El Al Flight 432 attack - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Re: ISIS Strikes Deal With Moderate Syrian Rebels: Reports.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    LOL!!They will 'let' Iraq? Who takes the US seriously?
    I didn't say Iraq.

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    Re: ISIS Strikes Deal With Moderate Syrian Rebels: Reports.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Mornin' Moot. You don't actually think BO and his team will agree, knowing they will take out any of the MB backed Syrian Rebels, do you?
    Hi MMC.

    It's difficult to say whose side anyone is on in the ME. Alliances seem to change with the wind.

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    Re: ISIS Strikes Deal With Moderate Syrian Rebels: Reports.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Hi MMC.

    It's difficult to say whose side anyone is on in the ME. Alliances seem to change with the wind.

    Yeah that's true.....but with Iran being Shia. They won't pass over any MB backed Syrian Rebels without killing them. Especially knowing they are Sunni.

    I am not against.....wiping out all of the MB backed Sunni Rebels. They are pieces of **** anyways and are not concerned about the people of Syria. Other than their own Sunni Tribe.

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    Re: ISIS Strikes Deal With Moderate Syrian Rebels: Reports.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Barrack Obama pulled the troops from a stable Iraq and, as George Bush foresaw, chaos happened. Why would any countries join Obama when they know he is ill equipped to lead and will follow the whims of the polls? Obama is a fool, and they all know it.
    And you're a right wing partisan hack, that's well known as well. Which is why you can't see that US policy under Bush and Obama is hurting us.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: ISIS Strikes Deal With Moderate Syrian Rebels: Reports.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Well, given the history of outside involvement, not just from the US but from other powers as well, the region has never really been given a chance to see if it could actually stabilize
    Not true at all. The habit is to always blame the west first as a rather east catchall for any problems which arise. It is easy, but also lazy. We should blame those who are responsible when each issue arises.

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    Re: ISIS Strikes Deal With Moderate Syrian Rebels: Reports.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    And you're a right wing partisan hack, that's well known as well. Which is why you can't see that US policy under Bush and Obama is hurting us.
    Bush us not the President, Barrack Obama is. There was a stable Iraq under Bush and a very unstable Iraq under Obama, Can you sincerely not see this???

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    Re: ISIS Strikes Deal With Moderate Syrian Rebels: Reports.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    It appears we now have a major problem with BO's plans for a coalition, and in giving arms and training to the MB Sunni back Rebels. How do you think this affects what BO and Kerry were stating with regards to Syria? This alliance show Team BO and BO cannot trust who is on the ground in Syria. Which doesn't take into account how they want Assad gone as well. What will others in the newly formed Coalition say now? Will there be commitment? Can this be ignored and with Assad and Russia now knowing this bit of information? What say ye?



    According to Agence France-Presse, ISIS and a number of moderate and hard-line rebel groups have agreed not to fight each other so that they can focus on taking down the regime of Syrian President Bashar Assad. Other sources say the signatories include a major U.S. ally linked to the Free Syrian Army. The deal between ISIS and the moderate Syrian groups casts doubt over President Barack Obama's freshly announced strategy to arm and train the groups against ISIS. The AFP report cited information from the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, a U.K.-based group monitoring the Syrian civil war, which said parties to the agreement "promise not to attack each other because they consider the principal enemy to be the Nussayri regime." The term Nussayri refers to the Alawite ethnic group that Assad and many of his supporters belong to. AFP said the agreement was signed in a suburb of the Syrian capital, where ISIS has a strong presence.

    Charles Lister, a fellow at the Brookings Institution's Doha Center, cited a report from the anti-regime Orient Net website to suggest on Twitter that the signatories of the ceasefire include a U.S.-backed coalition called the Syrian Revolutionary Front. According to the U.K.-based outlet Middle East Eye, that same Orient Net report says the ceasefire between groups described in the U.S. as "moderate rebels" and the Islamic State was mediated by the al-Nusra Front, al Qaeda's affiliate in Syria. This news suggests that partners will be hard to find. Lister said the pact is a product of failed U.S.-led Western policy in Syria."This underlines serious frustration w. lack of US-backing to [Free Syrian Army] opposition in fight vs Assad," he tweeted. If true, Landis said, the news of a ceasefire proves Washington does not know who it can support or trust within the fractured country.....snip~

    ISIS Strikes Deal With Moderate Syrian Rebels: Reports
    Even without this agreement it is still insane to arm and train these people.
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    Re: ISIS Strikes Deal With Moderate Syrian Rebels: Reports.....

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Even without this agreement it is still insane to arm and train these people.
    Well.....I agree with you there JR. I don't think we should share our tech anymore. Not going into the future.

    Moreover it didn't help with BO giving Lebanon Hellfire Missiles. Now Iran will get one and reverse engineer it. Which don't count Hezbollah picking up some.

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