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Classified pages of a 9/11 report may implicate key ally

Beaudreaux said:
Unfortunately, it isn't some sinister plot, coercion or conspiracy. It's just willful ignorance, by ignoring truth, to allow the US to have influence in the area. Not so much oil, as influence. The US ignores a lot of bad things around the world to maintain influence. Saudi Arabia is no different. That influence translates to airfields, shipping security and a military presence in the region. The same reason we ignore the Bahrainis, the Yemenis and all the others in that region that allow us influence.

It's basic International Relations. Moore sees profit as the motive behind every bad thing that happens. It isn't that simple.
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I agree with you. And the purpose for wanting those bases, clear shipping and influence, is to ensure the uninterrupted flow of oil.

(CNN) -- Yes, the Iraq War was a war for oil, and it was a war with winners: Big Oil.
It has been 10 years since Operation Iraqi Freedom's bombs first landed in Baghdad. And while most of the U.S.-led coalition forces have long since gone, Western oil companies are only getting started.


The man once regarded as the world's most powerful banker has bluntly declared that the Iraq war was 'largely' about oil.
Appointed by Ronald Reagan in 1987 and retired last year after serving four presidents, Alan Greenspan has been the leading Republican economist for a generation and his utterings instantly moved world markets.

In his long-awaited memoir - out tomorrow in the US - Greenspan, 81, who served as chairman of the US Federal Reserve for almost two decades, writes: 'I am saddened that it is politically inconvenient to acknowledge what everyone knows: the Iraq war is largely about oil.'

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/sep/16/iraq.iraqtimeline
 
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Μολὼν λαβέ;1063752466 said:
From what I know about state sponsored terrorism, Qatar and Iran are probably the world's worst.
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Professor William Odom, formerly President Reagan's NSA Director wrote:

As many critics have pointed, out, terrorism is not an enemy. It is a tactic. Because the United States itself has a long record of supporting terrorists and using terrorist tactics, the slogans of today's war on terrorism merely makes the United States look hypocritical to the rest of the world.[22]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_and_state_terrorism
 
apdst said:
I doubt any of that info ever existed. You can't keep anything secret now-a-days.

What we're seeing, are Saudis participating in and supporting terrorism, not the Saudi government. Where the confusion comes in, I'm not sure.
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Why are you so in love with the Saudi government, is it because your hero held hands and kissed their asses uh...I mean lips?
 
Texmex said:
Why are you so in love with the Saudi government, is it because your hero held hands and kissed their asses uh...I mean lips?
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Just...wow! You people will believe anything! :lamo

I'm not in love with the Saudi government. They're Muslims and I hate Muslims. I am a big fan of facts and there aren't any facts to support the accusation that the Saudi government funds terrorists.
 
apdst said:
I doubt any of that info ever existed. You can't keep anything secret now-a-days.

What we're seeing, are Saudis participating in and supporting terrorism, not the Saudi government. Where the confusion comes in, I'm not sure.
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It's not confusion. Evidence directly points to the Saudi government & royalty.
 
apdst said:
They're Muslims and I hate Muslims.
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Well at least you admitted your bigotry.

I am a big fan of facts and there aren't any facts to support the accusation that the Saudi government funds terrorists.
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WikiLeaks cables portray Saudi Arabia as a cash machine for terrorists | World news | The Guardian
"The cables highlight an often ignored factor in the Pakistani and Afghan conflicts: that the violence is partly bankrolled by rich, conservative donors across the Arabian Sea whose governments do little to stop them.

The problem is particularly acute in Saudi Arabia, where militants soliciting funds slip into the country disguised as holy pilgrims, set up front companies to launder funds and receive money from government-sanctioned charities.

One cable details how the Pakistani militant outfit Lashkar-e-Taiba, which carried out the 2008 Mumbai attacks, used a Saudi-based front company to fund its activities in 2005."

Terrorist Sponsors: Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, China | Cato Institute
"The Saudi government has been the principal financial backer of Afghanistan’ s odious Taliban movement since at least 1996. It has also channeled funds to Hamas and other groups that have committed terrorist acts in Israel and other portions of the Middle East."


Terrorist Financing - Council on Foreign Relations
"The Task Force report describes the complex nature of the financial network sustaining al-Qaeda and the obstacles to dismantling it, and it acknowledges that the only realistic goal is to curb rather than completely cut off terrorist funding. It finds that U.S. efforts to curtail terrorist financing are impeded not only by a lack of institutional capacity abroad, but, critically, by a lack of political will among U.S. allies. The Task Force notes, for example, “For years, individuals and charities based in Saudi Arabia have been the most important source of funds for al-Qaeda. And for years, Saudi officials have turned a blind eye to this problem.”
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Well at least you admitted your bigotry.



WikiLeaks cables portray Saudi Arabia as a cash machine for terrorists | World news | The Guardian
"The cables highlight an often ignored factor in the Pakistani and Afghan conflicts: that the violence is partly bankrolled by rich, conservative donors across the Arabian Sea whose governments do little to stop them.

The problem is particularly acute in Saudi Arabia, where militants soliciting funds slip into the country disguised as holy pilgrims, set up front companies to launder funds and receive money from government-sanctioned charities.

One cable details how the Pakistani militant outfit Lashkar-e-Taiba, which carried out the 2008 Mumbai attacks, used a Saudi-based front company to fund its activities in 2005."

Terrorist Sponsors: Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, China | Cato Institute
"The Saudi government has been the principal financial backer of Afghanistan’ s odious Taliban movement since at least 1996. It has also channeled funds to Hamas and other groups that have committed terrorist acts in Israel and other portions of the Middle East."


Terrorist Financing - Council on Foreign Relations
"The Task Force report describes the complex nature of the financial network sustaining al-Qaeda and the obstacles to dismantling it, and it acknowledges that the only realistic goal is to curb rather than completely cut off terrorist funding. It finds that U.S. efforts to curtail terrorist financing are impeded not only by a lack of institutional capacity abroad, but, critically, by a lack of political will among U.S. allies. The Task Force notes, for example, “For years, individuals and charities based in Saudi Arabia have been the most important source of funds for al-Qaeda. And for years, Saudi officials have turned a blind eye to this problem.”
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Again, no where do your sources blame the Saudi government for funding terrorists.
 
Actually we've known for a long time that there was a lot of Saudi involvement, and funding from private Saudi sources. That elements within the government might be implicated is significant but not surprising.


Saudi Arabia is, after all, the home of one the most extreme sects of Islam: Wahhabi/Salafi, the same as ISIS...
 
apdst said:
Again, no where do your sources blame the Saudi government for funding terrorists.
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And again and again, you didn't read them due to your preconceived bias.
 
Goshin said:
Actually we've known for a long time that there was a lot of Saudi involvement, and funding from private Saudi sources. That elements within the government might be implicated is significant but not surprising.


Saudi Arabia is, after all, the home of one the most extreme sects of Islam: Wahhabi/Salafi, the same as ISIS...
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True enough, and yet in typical US policy inconsistencies, the "war on terror" has never been taken to them.
 
Montecresto said:
And again and again, you didn't read them due to your preconceived bias.
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I did read and nowhere did it claim involvement by the Saudi government. Now, if I'm wrong, you're more than welcome to show me where that claim is made. Be my guest. We're waiting.
 
apdst said:
I did read and nowhere did it claim involvement by the Saudi government. Now, if I'm wrong, you're more than welcome to show me where that claim is made. Be my guest. We're waiting.
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It's in the op, post number one, watch it and weep.
 
apdst said:
I doubt any of that info ever existed. You can't keep anything secret now-a-days. What we're seeing, are Saudis participating in and supporting terrorism, not the Saudi government. Where the confusion comes in, I'm not sure.
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There isn't any confusion. Living and transportation arrangements in addition to money for the hijackers were funneled through the Saudi consulate in Los Angeles and their embassy in Washington DC.
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1063752437 said:
I've heard disparaging generalizations about Arabs before but never this one.
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I prefer camel jockey or to describe an arab country bum f*** Eqypt. :)
 
TheDemSocialist said:
They only give lip service when it comes to the War on Terror. But wait!? Why the **** are we "buddy buddy" with them... Oh wait!
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Hey Dem :2wave:

The USA isn't dependent on Saudi oil, we haven't been since the early 80's. But Japan, China and Europe are.

Remember the "Tanker Wars" during the Reagan administration ? Very few of those tankers destination was the USA but were headed towards Japan, China and Europe.

If there was a disruption of Saudi oil it would have a significant affect on the economies in Japan, China and Europe. And with today's global economy there would be a ripple affect that would hit the USA like a tsunami.

China, Japan and Europe don't have a blue water navy to keep the oil flowing. China will soon have that capability in ten or twenty years. NATO is useless, they ran out of bombs while conducting a regime change in Libya. :lamo

So what do we do with these Saudi ass holes ???
 
apdst said:
At lrast I'm not a liar, nor a hypocrite. ;)
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Ah, so you're saying others lie when they say they don't hate muslims? Give us some examples?
 
Hatuey said:
Ah, so you're saying others lie when they say they don't hate muslims? Give us some examples?
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No, that's what you're saying I'm saying. Care to try again, with less flamebait?
 
apdst said:
No, that's what you're saying I'm saying. Care to try again, with less flamebait?
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... If it's flamebait, you can report it. However, we both know it isn't. You said you weren't a hypocrite when your hate speech was questioned. So it begged the question about who you thought was being hypocritical in their non-hate of Muslims. How does it feel to be an admitted islamophobe?
 
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