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    Re: Boy Charged For Desecration Of Jesus Statue

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Wait...higher than normal value? Like...vandalism and some sort of extra charge based on the value to society?
    The answers are no and no. I thought my post was clear.

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    Re: Boy Charged For Desecration Of Jesus Statue

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Well, somebody took the picture so I'm pretty sure someone else was there. I don't know if there were more "somebody's" but it looks like it was in broad daylight and in a public place.
    Doesn't matter. The people offended here were not present, otherwise, he wouldn't be being charged because of the picture, but because someone who was there actually complained.
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    Re: Boy Charged For Desecration Of Jesus Statue

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    No. That is not correct. If he violated private property, that is an offense all its own. That has nothing to do with what he was charged with. He can be prosecuted for violating private property...but he was not.

    I never said the kids 1st amendment rights were violated...I said the law trying to prosecute him are unconstitutional. Passing a law because someone's sensibilities are violated is not constitutional.

    There is no right to shoot a person on private property without justification. If a kid walks on your lawn gives you no right to shot him. Private property is not a licence to shoot/kill.
    Actually, unless he was told to leave or they have some sort of signs up (in accordance with the ordinance for the areas), then he couldn't be charged for trespassing based on a picture of him on someone else's property (at least not in most states).

    As for the other part, you are absolutely right. It would definitely be murder had someone shot the kid for doing that, no matter how much they were offended by the act.
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    Re: Boy Charged For Desecration Of Jesus Statue

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Sorry...that simply doesnt work. You are tryign to have it both ways. Either property is venerable or it is not. It is either afforded special protections or it is not. You want it to be...just so long as it fits what you want it to fit. If an actual act of vandalism is committed then the crime is vandalism with no special laws or qualifiers or categories. The law this kid is charged with should be eliminated, along with all hate crime laws and any other laws that are in place because some people get their feelings hurt.
    In my view, the value of the items destroyed can and should impact the seriousness of the vandalism charge. By value, I mean cash value, not whether someone considers an object holy. I don't support charging the kid for the symbolic quality of his act. Hate crimes should be called terrorism. If the intent of an act is to scare or harass a group of people then I support enhanced charges.

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    Re: Boy Charged For Desecration Of Jesus Statue

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    It's a misdemeanor, so jail is unlikely.
    Yes, but a poster here in this thread has said he thinks it should be punishable by prison time. That is why I made those comments.

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    Re: Boy Charged For Desecration Of Jesus Statue

    If the people of Wilkes-Barre wanted a law to fine people who perform simulated sex acts with statues, that's their community and they have a right to enforce whatever standards they want within constitutional limits. I can't imagine the outrage if he had done that to a statue of Martin Luther King jr.
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    Re: Boy Charged For Desecration Of Jesus Statue

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    If the people of Wilkes-Barre wanted a law to fine people who perform simulated sex acts with statues, that's their community and they have a right to enforce whatever standards they want within constitutional limits. I can't imagine the outrage if he had done that to a statue of Martin Luther King jr.
    Charging someone with a crime because a photograph offended people violates the first amendment.

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    Re: Boy Charged For Desecration Of Jesus Statue

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    So he's all knowing, all seeing, all wise and all powerful but he creates a tree to specifically tempt mankind into sin and did nothing to stop it.

    The tree is part of his creation as is sin.

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    Re: Boy Charged For Desecration Of Jesus Statue

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    Damn, he was baiting us!!!!!
    So he`s a troll?
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    Re: Boy Charged For Desecration Of Jesus Statue

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    So he`s a troll?
    Perhaps he should be banned!

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