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    Re: Boy Charged For Desecration Of Jesus Statue

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    And this is why I'm thankful religious extremists of any sort typically can't get substantial power in this country.

    Blasphemy, an entirely religious concept, should not be codified into law. Indeed, doing such is inherently against one of the foundational principles this country's government is based on, which is that the government should not restrict individuals speech. Bringing up Sharia is ENTIRELY justified, as suggesting that people should be IMPRISONED for "Public blashpheming" is a similar sort of over the top religious based legal structure.
    Sharia is irrelevant since it is specific to Islam.

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    Re: Boy Charged For Desecration Of Jesus Statue

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Sharia is irrelevant since it is specific to Islam.
    It's relevant as a means of comparison. Like saying someone's face is red like a lobster. Or saying that the way a point guard distributes the ball is like he's joe montana. Or saying someone who wants the purging of all christians from the world is like Hitler.

    In none of those instances is the thing being referenced meant as a LITERAL reference, but as a comparison. Someone who is trying to purge the world of Christians is not LITERALLY Hitler, but it's an apt comparison to someone who was attempting to purge an area of followers of a particular religion.

    Comparisons to Sharia is relevant in this case as an example of a strict religious based legal system....codifying "public blashpemy" into law is similar in mentality to sharia in terms of establishing a strict religious based law.

    You're actively calling for the IMPRISONMENT of someone for "public blaspheming", which seems to be pretty specific to christianity (unless I'm mistaken and you're suggesting public blashpeming against Islam or Satanism is included in your call), and that is absolutely reasonable to be compared to the type of mentality and legal methods utilized with Sharia Law.

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    Re: Boy Charged For Desecration Of Jesus Statue

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    It's relevant as a means of comparison. Like saying someone's face is red like a lobster. Or saying that the way a point guard distributes the ball is like he's joe montana. Or saying someone who wants the purging of all christians from the world is like Hitler.

    In none of those instances is the thing being referenced meant as a LITERAL reference, but as a comparison. Someone who is trying to purge the world of Christians is not LITERALLY Hitler, but it's an apt comparison to someone who was attempting to purge an area of followers of a particular religion.

    Comparisons to Sharia is relevant in this case as an example of a strict religious based legal system....codifying "public blashpemy" into law is similar in mentality to sharia in terms of establishing a strict religious based law.

    You're actively calling for the IMPRISONMENT of someone for "public blaspheming", which seems to be pretty specific to christianity (unless I'm mistaken and you're suggesting public blashpeming against Islam or Satanism is included in your call), and that is absolutely reasonable to be compared to the type of mentality and legal methods utilized with Sharia Law.
    Well the difference is that Christianity is true.

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    Re: Boy Charged For Desecration Of Jesus Statue

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Well the difference is that Christianity is true.
    Not in any way you can prove. Your own personal delusions prove nothing.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Boy Charged For Desecration Of Jesus Statue

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Well the difference is that Christianity is true.
    And thus you highlight why you're no different than radical islamists desperately attempting to spread Sharia law. Their argument why their ridiculous, bakcwards, neanderthal like notion of legality is okay is the same as yours, because they believe their religion is "true" and thus it's tennents should be law.

    Sorry, that's not a legitimate argument rather you're an extremist muslim or an extremist christian or extremist anything else. A call for incarceration for "public blasphemy" is born from the same mentality that sharia law springs from.

    Despite your obvious disdain and disagreement with the process that the Founding Father's started with this country, where the movement away from a state religion was significant for the first time in modern history, the reality is we do not and are unlikely to see an establishment of a state religion in this country. As such, public blaspheming has no place as a means of law...let alone one resulting in the actual imprisonment of a citizen.

    Prior to the modern era, a monarchy or some other form of singular titular leadership was pretty much the standard of the day as well Paleo. We are no less likely to return to the age where most states within the world have a state religion than we are to return to an age where most states are ruled over by a singular titular unelected leader.

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    Re: Boy Charged For Desecration Of Jesus Statue

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    And thus you highlight why you're no different than radical islamists desperately attempting to spread Sharia law. Their argument why their ridiculous, bakcwards, neanderthal like notion of legality is okay is the same as yours, because they believe their religion is "true" and thus it's tennents should be law.

    Sorry, that's not a legitimate argument rather you're an extremist muslim or an extremist christian or extremist anything else. A call for incarceration for "public blasphemy" is born from the same mentality that sharia law springs from.

    Despite your obvious disdain and disagreement with the process that the Founding Father's started with this country, where the movement away from a state religion was significant for the first time in modern history, the reality is we do not and are unlikely to see an establishment of a state religion in this country. As such, public blaspheming has no place as a means of law...let alone one resulting in the actual imprisonment of a citizen.

    Prior to the modern era, a monarchy or some other form of singular titular leadership was pretty much the standard of the day as well Paleo. We are no less likely to return to the age where most states within the world have a state religion than we are to return to an age where most states are ruled over by a singular titular unelected leader.
    You realize that this isn't actually an argument, right. You're just declaring Christianity and Islam to be equivalent.

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    Re: Boy Charged For Desecration Of Jesus Statue

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Ok. Well in the spirit of invalid analogies.

    Some people want murder to be legal, this is ridiculous. Some people want murder to be illegal. Since these are both opinions about murder, they're both ridiculous.
    There is nothing invalid about what I said.Every group finds something offensive regardless if it is religious groups or non-religious groups. You imprison people for doing something that is offensive to select Christians(I and many others could care less what someone does to a graven image because graven images are a sin) then you open the door to imprisoning people for things other groups of people find offensive.
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    Re: Boy Charged For Desecration Of Jesus Statue

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    You realize that this isn't actually an argument, right. You're just declaring Christianity and Islam to be equivalent.
    No, he's declaring your piss poor attitude as equivalent of extremism of a different stripe... which it is.

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    Re: Boy Charged For Desecration Of Jesus Statue

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    There is nothing invalid about what I said.Every group finds something offensive regardless if it is religious groups or non-religious groups. You imprison people for doing something that is offensive to select Christians(I many others could care less what someone does to a graven image) then you open the door to imprisoning people for things other groups of people find offensive.
    Well if you support murder being illegal, then you open the door to murder being legal.

    (liberal illogic)

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    Re: Boy Charged For Desecration Of Jesus Statue

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    No, he's declaring your piss poor attitude as equivalent of extremism of a different stripe... which it is.
    It isn't equivalent.

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