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    Re: Boy Charged For Desecration Of Jesus Statue

    From the fact that some post pictures of Jesus, as an argument for why this 14-year old boy should be held for a crime, it is clear they believe that it's just fine for government to enforce religious laws. That is no different than imposing Sharia Law. The only difference is that Sharia Law is someone else's religion and the Christian Bible is their religion.

    It is also clear that any law that makes it a crime to "desecrate" a religious object, when that object was not harmed in any way, fails two constitutional tests. 1) First Amendment: "Congress [government] shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion..." This law establishes Christian law (the desecration of an image of Jesus) as a crime.

    2) Rooted in the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments, is the tenet of "unconstitutional vagueness." That is, a statute might be voided for vagueness when an average citizen cannot generally determine what is being regulated or what the law applies. If a statue of Jesus is covered under the law but burning a Koran is not or a non-religious statue is not, then the law is unconstitutionally vague.
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    Re: Boy Charged For Desecration Of Jesus Statue

    Unless you think lewdly posing with ANY statue (not just a religious one) should be a felony...yes...you are heading into theocracy territory.

    Again, the headline should be STUPID KID DOES STUPID PRANK TO PUT UP ON SOCIAL MEDIA.

    Let his parents punish him.

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    Re: Boy Charged For Desecration Of Jesus Statue

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    The public's interest in not being offended by seeing naked people or hearing naughty words. There is no material harm from naked people or bad words.
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    Re: Boy Charged For Desecration Of Jesus Statue

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Sorry, but that is how they get away with it, not what their motivations are.
    False motives, conspiracy. How long until we hear about the holograms?

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    Re: Boy Charged For Desecration Of Jesus Statue

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    False motives, conspiracy. How long until we hear about the holograms?
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    Re: Boy Charged For Desecration Of Jesus Statue

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    Re: Boy Charged For Desecration Of Jesus Statue

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Sorry, but that is how they get away with it, not what their motivations are.
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    False motives, conspiracy. How long until we hear about the holograms?
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    Re: Boy Charged For Desecration Of Jesus Statue

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    Re: Boy Charged For Desecration Of Jesus Statue

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    Looks like Nick Cage.

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    Re: Boy Charged For Desecration Of Jesus Statue

    Quote Originally Posted by MTAtech View Post
    It is also clear that any law that makes it a crime to "desecrate" a religious object, when that object was not harmed in any way, fails two constitutional tests. 1) First Amendment: "Congress [government] shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion..." This law establishes Christian law (the desecration of an image of Jesus) as a crime.
    The law is about a venerated object thus covering both religious and non religious. Therefore 1st amendment is not violated.

    2) Rooted in the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments, is the tenet of "unconstitutional vagueness." That is, a statute might be voided for vagueness when an average citizen cannot generally determine what is being regulated or what the law applies. If a statue of Jesus is covered under the law but burning a Koran is not or a non-religious statue is not, then the law is unconstitutionally vague.
    The issue of ownership also comes into play here. Had that been the boy's statue or at least his family's, then the law could not apply. I can go out and purchase my own Koran and burn it and no law in the US can touch me in and of itself. Incidentals, such as burning it on someone else's property or the act resulting in burn damage to property other than mine could be applied but those would apply regardless of what the initial object burned was.

    Now I will admit that "venerated" can be a subjective term, which is why I do not like the law in and of itself.
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