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    Re: Boy Charged For Desecration Of Jesus Statue

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    This is blasphemy, plain and simple.

    And you're comfortable with the government determining what is and isn't blasphemy?


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    This issue has been plowed more times than Paris Hilton.
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    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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    Re: Boy Charged For Desecration Of Jesus Statue

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I am not sure why it is a crime even. AS best I can tell, he did not harm the statue in any way, he simply posed for a picture with it.
    As disgusting as these posed pictures are I have to agree.

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    And you're comfortable with the government determining what is and isn't blasphemy?
    I know this was not directed at me, but I for one do not want the government determining what is or is not blasphemy.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Boy Charged For Desecration Of Jesus Statue

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    Leapfrog is a criminal offence? (to the pure, all things are pure)
    This.

    So I'm reading along trying to figure out which side of this issue to come down upon, and I get to Manc's post. Brilliant!

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    Re: Boy Charged For Desecration Of Jesus Statue

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    There is no right to shoot a person on private property without justification. If a kid walks on your lawn gives you no right to shot him. Private property is not a licence to shoot/kill.
    I agree whole heartedly.

    But what the trespasser is doing on that private property can be used as mitigating circumstances in assessing the appropriate charges and resulting punishment.

    My guess is that in many parts of the USA, a property owner shooting this particular trespasser doing this particular act would face only manslaughter charges- and possibly not even that (fighting words doctrine).

    The same concept works with trespassers burning a cross on a black person's property. Yes, killing them for the act of tresspassing is unlawful. Could the actions of these particular trespassers lead to lesser charges against the shooter?- probably so.

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    I never said the kids 1st amendment rights were violated...I said the law trying to prosecute him are unconstitutional. Passing a law because someone's sensibilities are violated is not constitutional.
    Ok, I can accept that.
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    Re: Boy Charged For Desecration Of Jesus Statue

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Would you say the same if he had been naked (and thus committing indecent exposure)?
    He wasn't. Wasn't speeding either. Wasn't drinking.

    What's your point.

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    Re: Boy Charged For Desecration Of Jesus Statue

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    He committed a heinous act of blasphemy.
    Blasphemy? Oh my god! Behead him!!!

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    Re: Boy Charged For Desecration Of Jesus Statue

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
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    I find it disgusting that this is a misdemeanor. It ought to be punished by imprisonment.
    It's a stupid thing for this kid I do, some will be offended and some won't.
    I don't see an actual crime being committed other than perhaps trespassing if he was on private property.

    Stupid is as stupid does, first by doing it, second taking pictures, thirdly posting it on FB for the world to see.

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    Re: Boy Charged For Desecration Of Jesus Statue

    All of my own Jesus statues are equipped with a secret mechanical device that is only tripped when the statue senses certain motions.

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    Re: Boy Charged For Desecration Of Jesus Statue

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post


    I know this was not directed at me, but I for one do not want the government determining what is or is not blasphemy.
    Nor do I. At least we agree on something.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    This issue has been plowed more times than Paris Hilton.
    Quote Originally Posted by Oborosen View Post
    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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    Re: Boy Charged For Desecration Of Jesus Statue

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    We are not a theocracy which is why blasphemy is not a crime.
    I'm not sure why you're talking about theocracy. Perhaps you posted in the wrong thread?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Is that what the courts officially charged him with?
    Yes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Over the years God has been reviled in many ways and in many ways far worse than this. I believe that the blasphemy is His job to deal with. When we deign to exact His justice we are acting from vanity, not love.
    Yep, let's legalize everything.

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    he has the First Amendment Right to be a scumbag
    The law disagrees with you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    The chances a teenage boy will do exactly what this one did is pretty good. They had to know the statue was inviting this kind of behavior when they put it up. I mean, just look at it.
    What is wrong with you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    No, if he committed some actual crime then he should be charged accordingly.
    He did commit a crime.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    We do not live in the middle where desecration is a crime
    What is the middle?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Um... who cares? Why is this a crime?

    He didn't do any harm to the statue. What difference does it make, and why are we wasting the court's time with this?

    Whether you like it or not, Paleocon, blasphemy is perfectly legal in this country because Christians don't get to tell everyone else how to speak. Look up "blasphemy challenge." You know how many people got arrested for that? None. Public blasphemy is something you'll just have to live with, if you like living in a free country.

    But I don't suspect you actually want to live in a free country at all. You want to live in a theocracy. There are plenty of those... in the third world. You could always relocate.
    I don't know why you're babbling about a theocracy. Perhaps you don't know what you're talking about?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Be as concerned with "public blasphemy" as you want, but your god has nothing to do with the rules of man. No property damage, no vandalism, no crime. Just say NO to theocracy.
    I'm not sure why you're babbling about theocracy. Perhaps you don't know what you're talking about?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    What's disgusting are people trying to use government force to enforce their religious laws against the rest of us. Right up there with ISIS.
    Ok well if you disagree with the charges then you're like a Nazi (because I say you are), therefore you're wrong.

    (liberal illogic)

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    It clearly violates the first amendment to be charged when no damage has happened
    The law disagrees with you.

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    You want to throw this guy in jail?

    At taxpayer's expense?

    For that?

    Yes of course.

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Well, the pose is disgusting. If he violated a law--if he damaged property, for example--then prosecution is legitimate. But people do offensive stuff all the time, and you do have to let some of it go.

    The thing is that there are always going to be jerks (especially teens who are exploring boundaries). I'm willing to bet that he's not the first kid to think about posing like that, and he won't be the last. Let them set fire to the flag and simulate a BJ with a statue...and pray that they will be given the gift of discernment and good taste. And celebrate the fact that we live in a country so free that people are free to be jerks.
    He did violate a law. Tolerating some things doesn't mean tolerating everything.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scrabaholic View Post
    Would you say the same if it was a statue of Mohammed?
    Not ideally. Although prison for both cases would be better than prison for neither.

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Should saying "God Dammit" loudly be a felony as well then?
    No. That's not nearly as bad.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    First off, what offensive picture?

    Secondly, why was he arrested? He did nothing illegal as far as I can see. He does not have his pants down, and unless being without a shirt is illegal there.. then what?

    Thirdly, if this had been a real religious statue of any value or historical significance.. then it would be protected no? Then it is nothing but a very badly made and looking statue of a guy suppose to be Jesus sitting on his knees in his very expensive robe.. that looks a lot like Royal Purple, only worn by Emperors and magisters in the Roman empire..
    He committed a crime.

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    Are you serious...for the love of God, please tell me you are joking.
    No.

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    This ordinance is crap...

    "Desecrate." Defacing, damaging, polluting or otherwise
    physically mistreating in a way that the actor knows will
    outrage the sensibilities of persons likely to observe or
    discover the action.


    The 1st amendment trumps anyone's "sensibilities".
    The law disagrees with you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    You worship idols????
    You make nonsensical comments!!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by MTAtech View Post
    Please explain to use why you think posing for a picture performing a lewd act with an inanimate object that was not harmed, should be a felony? I am not even sure this charge, "desecration of a venerate object," is even constitutional -- as it elevates religious objects to something above a mere object.
    Because it is blasphemous.

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    He wasn't. Wasn't speeding either. Wasn't drinking.

    What's your point.
    It's illegal.

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Blasphemy? Oh my god! Behead him!!!
    What are you talking about?

    Quote Originally Posted by Meadowlark View Post
    It's a stupid thing for this kid I do, some will be offended and some won't.
    I don't see an actual crime being committed other than perhaps trespassing if he was on private property.

    Stupid is as stupid does, first by doing it, second taking pictures, thirdly posting it on FB for the world to see.
    It was a crime.

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