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    Re: Ray Rice's Wife, Janay, Defends Him and Rips Media In Statment

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    The Tiger Woods analogy is a good one. Somehow Nike got implicated because he decided to cheat on his wife. Go figure.

    The mob mentality is very much alive and well. In fact, I see it on here.
    Where do you see mob mentality here? The initial thread was concerned about the damage to Rice's career and I think most people have a hard time finding sympathy for him.

    He was given a multi million dollar salary on a public stage. The one drawback to that extremely generous salary is that any inappropriate conduct you have can cost you that stage.

    Some misconduct such as drugs they can give you a bye but any conduct of harming children or women is going to cost you. It is just unacceptable.

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    Re: Ray Rice's Wife, Janay, Defends Him and Rips Media In Statment

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    Where do you see mob mentality here? The initial thread was concerned about the damage to Rice's career and I think most people have a hard time finding sympathy for him.

    He was given a multi million dollar salary on a public stage. The one drawback to that extremely generous salary is that any inappropriate conduct you have can cost you that stage.

    Some misconduct such as drugs they can give you a bye but any conduct of harming children or women is going to cost you. It is just unacceptable.
    I was talking about the people calling for Roger Goodell's head, not Ray Rice.

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    Re: Ray Rice's Wife, Janay, Defends Him and Rips Media In Statment

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I was talking about the people calling for Roger Goodell's head, not Ray Rice.
    I stand corrected. Sorry, I misunderstood.

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    Re: Ray Rice's Wife, Janay, Defends Him and Rips Media In Statment

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    I stand corrected. Sorry, I misunderstood.
    No worries. I have no problem with Rice getting what he deserved, even though I don't think he got what he really deserved.

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    Re: Ray Rice's Wife, Janay, Defends Him and Rips Media In Statment

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I was talking about the people calling for Roger Goodell's head, not Ray Rice.
    We mostly agree on this issue, but I'm also calling for Goodell's head because he himself has brought dishonor and disrepute to the NFL and a sport that I love. If the AP report proves accurate, that makes it even worse for me. Not only did Goodell institute a 2 game penalty in July, long before necessary and apparently before he had all the facts but he's now apparently gone on national television and insisted that nobody at the NFL offices had access to the video and he was challenged on the veracity of that claim within 24 hours. To believe him, you'd have to believe that his own staff lied to him directly or that he never bothered to investigate whether or not they had access before he went out and put the league's integrity on the line. To call in the former head of the FBI to investigate now, after the damage has been done, is another sign of complete incompetence.

    And here's another reason why he should go - he's forever claiming that not being aware of a problem is no excuse for your actions - if a player claims they didn't know a banned substance was in something they took, too bad, they're just as guilty as if they knew. On that basis, too bad Goodell didn't know there was more damage in the tape he claims he didn't see and didn't have access to - he should have known and ignorance is no defense.

    At a minimum, he should be suspended until the league investigation is complete. More appropriately, he should take a leave of absence or resign.

    And this all stems from the league office getting involved where they shouldn't. This incident had nothing to do with the league or the integrity of games played. Rice's contract is with the Ravens and they should have been the ones to enforce the morality clauses within that contract and they should be the ones to make the decision to suspend or release. By the league getting involved, they take the onus off where it belongs - in the courts, and in the direct employer's office.
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    Re: Ray Rice's Wife, Janay, Defends Him and Rips Media In Statment

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    No worries. I have no problem with Rice getting what he deserved, even though I don't think he got what he really deserved.
    It's a bit ironic that the NFL's efforts to cover this up and let him off lightly have really backfired and, so far, the only one paying the price is Rice and his wife. If the NFL acted properly, and looked at the tape, they could have given him a 6 or 8 game suspension and this would barely be in the news. They even could have given him the 2 games, then admitted they screwed up, and given him more.

    Now, they have killed their credibility and Rice doesn't even have a team. Just a huge screw up by all involved.
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    Re: Ray Rice's Wife, Janay, Defends Him and Rips Media In Statment

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    It's a bit ironic that the NFL's efforts to cover this up and let him off lightly have really backfired and, so far, the only one paying the price is Rice and his wife. If the NFL acted properly, and looked at the tape, they could have given him a 6 or 8 game suspension and this would barely be in the news. They even could have given him the 2 games, then admitted they screwed up, and given him more.

    Now, they have killed their credibility and Rice doesn't even have a team. Just a huge screw up by all involved.
    Are you suggesting that the NFL hold evidence hearings (trials?) now? It seems that the NFL is reacting to PC pressure and weighing the severity (classes?) of crimes. What would make more sense is to have a real standard of NFL employee conduct (at all levels) in which any criminal conviction results in a 6 game suspension and any subsequent criminal conviction results in a lifetime ban. The NFL should never have to investigate, evaluate (weigh?) evidence and make a "case by case" decision.

    Folks seem far more upset that Rice got a lighter "sentence" from the NFL than the state of NJ gave him for the same "crime" and they saw the same video taped evidence. Should all employers ban (refuse to hire or immediately fire) any employee that has one (or more) criminal charges that do not result in convictions?

    In no way am I condoning any criminal conduct but I do question the idea that any employer should have an internal court system that ignores the result of our gov't courts and imposes its own "justice" based on public pressure to be more PC. Rice is not the first, last or only NFL.player that has faced a criminal charge. BTW, Rice was never convicted of that charge - he received a PBJ deal as a "first" (rich?) offender.

    Uneven playing field? Judge, prosecutor who let Ray Rice walk toss book at single mom | Fox News
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    Re: Ray Rice's Wife, Janay, Defends Him and Rips Media In Statment

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Are you suggesting that the NFL hold evidence hearings (trials?) now? It seems that the NFL is reacting to PC pressure and weighing the severity (classes?) of crimes. What would make more sense is to have a real standard of NFL employee conduct (at all levels) in which any criminal conviction results in a 6 game suspension and any subsequent criminal conviction results in a lifetime ban. The NFL should never have to investigate, evaluate (weigh?) evidence and make a "case by case" decision.

    Folks seem far more upset that Rice got a lighter "sentence" from the NFL than the state of NJ gave him for the same "crime" and they saw the same video taped evidence. Should all employers ban (refuse to hire or immediately fire) any employee that has one (or more) criminal charges that do not result in convictions?

    In no way am I condoning any criminal conduct but I do question the idea that any employer should have an internal court system that ignores the result of our gov't courts and imposes its own "justice" based on public pressure to be more PC. Rice is not the first, last or only NFL.player that has faced a criminal charge. BTW, Rice was never convicted of that charge - he received a PBJ deal as a "first" (rich?) offender.

    Uneven playing field? Judge, prosecutor who let Ray Rice walk toss book at single mom | Fox News
    This is a prime example of why things get so screwed up.

    First and foremost the idea that there can be a one size fits all policy for rules/legal infractions is just a terrible idea. As are supposed zero-tolerance policies. They lead to decisions that defy logic. If you set one policy for domestic violence cases then a player who gets in a argument with his wife/girlfriend and grabs their arms and pushes them will receive the same penalty as someone who cold-cocks their wife with left hook and then drags unconscious body on the floor and does nothing to help her? That makes no sense. There should be a case by case decision made. Not all domestic abuse cases are the same. Some are much, much more heinous than others.

    Second, all employers that I have ever worked for do not have a court system. They have, like the NFL, a body of people that deal employee misconduct with one person, in the case of most businesses the head of HR in the case of the NFL the commissioner, responsible for deciding on the ultimate punishment and meting it out. You do have the right to appeal if you are lucky enough to work under a CBA if not then your only recourse is the courts.

    These kind of cookie cutter rules is partly why we are in this mess to begin with. The whole reason Goodell gave for giving Rice a two-day suspension was prior precedence. If he properly weighed all the evidence and seen the callous nature of the attack and meted out a more appropriate penalty we would not be in this mess.

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    Good article comparing the two cases, thanks

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    Re: Ray Rice's Wife, Janay, Defends Him and Rips Media In Statment

    Quote Originally Posted by smb View Post
    This is a prime example of why things get so screwed up.

    First and foremost the idea that there can be a one size fits all policy for rules/legal infractions is just a terrible idea. As are supposed zero-tolerance policies. They lead to decisions that defy logic. If you set one policy for domestic violence cases then a player who gets in a argument with his wife/girlfriend and grabs their arms and pushes them will receive the same penalty as someone who cold-cocks their wife with left hook and then drags unconscious body on the floor and does nothing to help her? That makes no sense. There should be a case by case decision made. Not all domestic abuse cases are the same. Some are much, much more heinous than others.

    Second, all employers that I have ever worked for do not have a court system. They have, like the NFL, a body of people that deal employee misconduct with one person, in the case of most businesses the head of HR in the case of the NFL the commissioner, responsible for deciding on the ultimate punishment and meting it out. You do have the right to appeal if you are lucky enough to work under a CBA if not then your only recourse is the courts.

    These kind of cookie cutter rules is partly why we are in this mess to begin with. The whole reason Goodell gave for giving Rice a two-day suspension was prior precedence. If he properly weighed all the evidence and seen the callous nature of the attack and meted out a more appropriate penalty we would not be in this mess.
    As my link pointed out, there are already different charges/sentences for "different levels of" criminal activity. How does the NFL, or any other employer, hope to develop a uniform and comprehensive policy to encompass all possible criminal allegations? You correctly noted that there are different levels of criminal charges/sentences - my point is that the courts already have that job (to weigh the individual act's circumstances) and thus the NFL need only base their policy on those results.

    It was a NJ prosecutor's/judge's decision to assign a light sentence (actually a PBJ deal) to Rice yet the outrage is directed at the NFL. Most cases of domestic violence are not on video tape thus the NFL must weigh only the he said/she said testimony - just like our court system does.
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