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    Re: Ray Rice's Wife, Janay, Defends Him and Rips Media In Statment

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    You claimed that they have the right to associate in case but not in another. When in reality, they can always associate if they want to. If they want to keep Ray Rice, they have that right. They just chose not to.

    So you're wrong.
    What you think the purpose behind anti-discrimination laws are? Is it to perhaps get businesses to interact and commence in commerce with protected classes?

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    Re: Ray Rice's Wife, Janay, Defends Him and Rips Media In Statment

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Yes, I am. What of it?
    So it's ok with you if someone drives drunk. That was my point.
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    You have no empirical evidence backing up your false assertion. You are simply conjecturing based on a whim...
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    Or maybe "We now understand why women provoke men into hitting them".
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    Re: Ray Rice's Wife, Janay, Defends Him and Rips Media In Statment

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    So it's ok with you if someone drives drunk. That was my point.
    No, that is not what it means at all. There is plenty of things I have a problem with, but I don't want to be illegal.

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    Re: Ray Rice's Wife, Janay, Defends Him and Rips Media In Statment

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    What you think the purpose behind anti-discrimination laws are? Is it to perhaps get businesses to interact and commence in commerce with protected classes?
    You are changing the subject.

    You made the following claim

    "It's funny that a business has the right to associate in one case, but not in the other."

    Anti discrimination laws do not tell anyone that they aren't allowed to associate with anyone. Only that you aren't allowed to discriminate on certain factors.

    So please stop changing the subject.
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    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
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    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: Ray Rice's Wife, Janay, Defends Him and Rips Media In Statment

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    No, that is not what it means at all. There is plenty of things I have a problem with, but I don't want to be illegal.
    Please clarify.
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    You have no empirical evidence backing up your false assertion. You are simply conjecturing based on a whim...
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    Or maybe "We now understand why women provoke men into hitting them".
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    . Losing insurance does not mean losing healthcare. .

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    Re: Ray Rice's Wife, Janay, Defends Him and Rips Media In Statment

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I agree with this.

    Shouldn't the state of NJ be held accountable for a dangerous person being let loose with no punishment whatsoever?
    The ADA or DA should be investigated in Atlantic County - who is btw Prosecutor Jim McClain. There was a video of an assault and he decided to brush it under the rug. They cut a deal very quick. It's certainly curious.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Ray Rice's Wife, Janay, Defends Him and Rips Media In Statment

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    You are changing the subject.

    You made the following claim

    "It's funny that a business has the right to associate in one case, but not in the other."

    Anti discrimination laws do not tell anyone that they aren't allowed to associate with anyone. Only that you aren't allowed to discriminate on certain factors.

    So please stop changing the subject.
    I'm not changing the topic. I was taking note of an inconsistency in principle that liberals all seem to share. If a man is a felon they have no problem with a business having their first amendment rights protected, but if the individual is a protected class their first amendment rights go out the window.

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    Re: Ray Rice's Wife, Janay, Defends Him and Rips Media In Statment

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I'm not changing the topic. I was taking note of an inconsistency in principle that liberals all seem to share. .
    Generalize much?
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    You have no empirical evidence backing up your false assertion. You are simply conjecturing based on a whim...
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    Or maybe "We now understand why women provoke men into hitting them".
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    . Losing insurance does not mean losing healthcare. .

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    Re: Ray Rice's Wife, Janay, Defends Him and Rips Media In Statment

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    The ADA or DA should be investigated in Atlantic County - who is btw Prosecutor Jim McClain. There was a video of an assault and he decided to brush it under the rug. They cut a deal very quick. It's certainly curious.
    I agree. I know everyone is concerned/focused on the NFL's punishment, but shouldn't this have been a justice system punishment being far more important? The NFL can't control his behavior and prevent future occurrences; the justice system can.

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    Re: Ray Rice's Wife, Janay, Defends Him and Rips Media In Statment

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    I wonder how warped a CON must be in their hatred of the media to twist logic around to make the 'guilty' party in this train wreck not the man caught on tape, but rather the media for reporting it.

    Nevermind Rayray was caught on tape assaulting a woman- knocking her out- the media is responsible for ending Ray's career....

    You SERIOUSLY think 'the media' wouldn't report this? You SERIOUSLY think NO ONE would mention the video exists and what it shows? I can hear the same ranters now changing sides if the media ignored the attack...

    Let's get real....
    The news media reported the incident and all the outcry and outrage that built up after it, much of it fed by news reports, that finally led to the ridiculous and excessive outcome that hurts even the woman it was supposedly protecting. No, they didn't have to. God knows they can ignore important news when they want to.

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    The NFL claims that it had not seen the tape in question when it dealt with his case. His coach said that the tape 'changed everything.' While the NFL and Ravens might not have done their due diligence, it is all but certain that Rice never informed either of the parties of the true magnitude of what had happened. Had he done so, his punishment might have been lengthier, but the situation would have been behind him. Almost certainly, he withheld vital details and has now wound up in a worse position than would otherwise have been the case.
    I'm calling BS on the coach. He's trying to get our from in front of the blowtorch over why his initial assessment of punishment was so "lenient".

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    As much as any other abuse victim.She loves her abuser and there is possibly all sorts of other reasons she might be defending him. It doesn't make the team and NFL wrong for booting her husband.
    No, what makes the NFL wrong is the fact that the punishment is so excessive. And they made it excessive because they are cowards, mau maued by the screeching, sanctimonious protectors of women out there.

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Wait a second. You're blaming everybody but Ray Rice. And I'm copping ?

    Sure the backlash had plenty to do with it. That's called a business repairing it's image with its consumers.
    There was never any question that Rice deserved to be punished. What we are talking about is excessive punishment, a lynching ginned up by an angry mob in which you guys so willingly participate. Even the person he punched is saying, "Stop this."

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    When it comes to how the NFL deals with their business, it doesn't count. For anything.

    If they don't want to associate with domestic abusers, they don't have to.
    Most likely they'd lose half the players in the league if they fired every abuser. They need to come up with a punishment that better fits the crime and have the strength of character to stick with that rather than trying to appease all these grievance groups and busybodies. Like I said, if he were just some ordinary guy who punched out his wife for the first time he'd get a fine and probably be sent to counseling or something. I call for punishment in line with what ordinary guys would get. What is happening is an injustice.

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