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    Re: Fake Cell Towers Allow the NSA and Police to Keep Track of You

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Sure, Winston.
    Ok, so I only posted three of many links to this, you are dismissing ABC, Forbes and the DailyMail. Ok, that neither breaks my leg nor picks my pocket.

    Oh, I forgot, you might be a FOX kinda guy.

    http://www.foxbusiness.com/personal-...-in-your-home/
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    Re: Fake Cell Towers Allow the NSA and Police to Keep Track of You

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Ok, so I only posted three of many links to this, you are dismissing ABC, Forbes and the DailyMail. Ok, that neither breaks my leg nor picks my pocket.

    Oh, I forgot, you might be a FOX kinda guy.

    Your Home Appliances May be Spying on You | Fox Business
    which means that "The CIA wants to spy on you through your TV", or that advertisers and hackers are spying on us all the time?
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    Re: Fake Cell Towers Allow the NSA and Police to Keep Track of You

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    which means that "The CIA wants to spy on you through your TV", or that advertisers and hackers are spying on us all the time?
    Read the links for your answer Ditto, BOTH!


    More and more personal and household devices are connecting to the internet, from your television to your car navigation systems to your light switches. CIA Director David Petraeus cannot wait to spy on you through them.

    Earlier this month, Petraeus mused about the emergence of an “Internet of Things” — that is, wired devices — at a summit for In-Q-Tel, the CIA’s venture capital firm. “‘Transformational’ is an overused word, but I do believe it properly applies to these technologies,” Petraeus enthused, “particularly to their effect on clandestine tradecraft.”

    http://www.chattanoogan.com/2012/3/1...se-Threat.aspx

    http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed...-or-microphone
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    Re: Fake Cell Towers Allow the NSA and Police to Keep Track of You

    Quote Originally Posted by HonestJoe View Post
    They're just echoing what they've found on the internet and as far as the actual towers go, that seems to be exclusively from the "secure" phone manufacturer (who even boasts how much this has increased their sales).

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying there is nothing to it, I just think people should seek independent and balanced information before jumping to the very worst conclusions. If nothing else, it might save you $3,500.
    There is a lot of information about the program and the technology. A search for StingRay cellphone will provide many sources.

    Interestingly, one place you won't find information is on the manufacturers website. However, FOIA requests and court cases have uncovered documentation of their sales.



    This price list for Harris Corporation wireless surveillance products was published on the website of the City of Miami.

    https://publicintelligence.net/harri...ts-price-list/
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    Re: Fake Cell Towers Allow the NSA and Police to Keep Track of You

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Read the links for your answer Ditto, BOTH!


    More and more personal and household devices are connecting to the internet, from your television to your car navigation systems to your light switches. CIA Director David Petraeus cannot wait to spy on you through them.

    Earlier this month, Petraeus mused about the emergence of an “Internet of Things” — that is, wired devices — at a summit for In-Q-Tel, the CIA’s venture capital firm. “‘Transformational’ is an overused word, but I do believe it properly applies to these technologies,” Petraeus enthused, “particularly to their effect on clandestine tradecraft.”

    Smart Meters Confirmed To Pose Threat To Privacy - And Response (4) - 03/17/2012 - Chattanoogan.com

    http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed...-or-microphone
    Is government spying on us through our devices? Well, maybe. I'm not sure they have the personnel to do that, but it is certainly possible. That advertisers are spying on us is confirmed every time I go to a website, then see ads for whatever that website is.

    Then there's Amazon, and its search engine. Type anything in your search window, and Amazon has it for sale. Type in "Pacific Ocean, and Amazon wants to sell you the Pacific Ocean.
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    Re: Fake Cell Towers Allow the NSA and Police to Keep Track of You

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    There is a lot of information about the program and the technology. A search for StingRay cellphone will provide many sources.
    Yes, but that's distinct from the claims about the network of fake towers around America. I'm not saying the technology doesn't exist, I'm not even saying the towers don't exist, I'm just questioning the validity of the claims about the extent of the issue from a company with a vested interest in exaggerating that extent.

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    Re: Fake Cell Towers Allow the NSA and Police to Keep Track of You

    Quote Originally Posted by HonestJoe View Post
    Yes, but that's distinct from the claims about the network of fake towers around America. I'm not saying the technology doesn't exist, I'm not even saying the towers don't exist, I'm just questioning the validity of the claims about the extent of the issue from a company with a vested interest in exaggerating that extent.
    There's a reason you don't know about it.

    Internal Police Emails Show Efforts to Hide Use of Cell Phone Tracking
    "As we suspected, local law enforcement officials are borrowing cell phone tracking devices known as “stingrays” from the U.S. Marshals Service—and police are deliberately concealing the use of stingrays in court documents submitted to judges in criminal investigations.

    The ACLU of Florida released a set of internal police emails obtained today through a public records request with the subject line “Trap and Trace Confidentiality.” The documents confirm that local police, working on state court matters, hide behind the sham cloak of the U.S. Marshals’ office to keep the information about stingray use out of court files—and beyond even a court’s custody and reach.
    https://www.aclu.org/blog/national-s...-hide-use-cell

    "The map below tracks what we know, based on press reports and publicly available documents, about the use of stingray tracking devices by state and local police departments. Following the map is a list of the federal law enforcement agencies known to use the technology throughout the United States. The ACLU has identified 43 agencies in 18 states that own stingrays, but because many agencies continue to shroud their purchase and use of stingrays in secrecy, this map dramatically underrepresents the actual use of stingrays by law enforcement agencies nationwide."
    See the map at https://www.aclu.org/maps/stingray-t...-whos-got-them
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    Re: Fake Cell Towers Allow the NSA and Police to Keep Track of You

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Is government spying on us through our devices? Well, maybe. I'm not sure they have the personnel to do that, but it is certainly possible. That advertisers are spying on us is confirmed every time I go to a website, then see ads for whatever that website is.

    Then there's Amazon, and its search engine. Type anything in your search window, and Amazon has it for sale. Type in "Pacific Ocean, and Amazon wants to sell you the Pacific Ocean.
    Sure, but we are not so concerned that big business may use such data to target, define and market to their audience. The government hasn't that motivation, so why do they need it. No, it's not a good thing.
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    Re: Fake Cell Towers Allow the NSA and Police to Keep Track of You

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Sure, but we are not so concerned that big business may use such data to target, define and market to their audience. The government hasn't that motivation, so why do they need it. No, it's not a good thing.
    They don't need it, and no, it's not a good thing. So, what do we do to stop it?
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    Re: Fake Cell Towers Allow the NSA and Police to Keep Track of You

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    They don't need it, and no, it's not a good thing. So, what do we do to stop it?
    Assemble, protest, and use the vote at the state level to throw the bums out. Congregate and call senators and house members until their phone lines melt. Most times the threat of massive action is enough for cowardly politicians. The only other option would be armed conflict and that is a hellish option all on it's own.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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