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    Human Cruelty Re-Defined

    It is impossible to believe young people or any people could do this. "Cruelty" has been forever redefined.

    BAY VILLAGE, Ohio - Comedian Drew Carey is offering to help police find those involved in dumping a bucket of urine and feces on a special-needs teen in Ohio who was reportedly told the prank was part of the "Ice Bucket Challenge." The Cleveland native posted on his Twitter account Saturday that he's willing to donate $10,000 if police in suburban Bay Village want to start a reward fund.
    The 14-year-old boy's mother found a cellphone video of teenagers dumping the bucket on her autistic son.
    Bay Village High School organized a vigil for the teen before a football game on Friday and school officials have condemned the prank.

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    Re: Human Cruelty Re-Defined

    Help me out here, does attacking a person with a disability constitute a hate crime?

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    Re: Human Cruelty Re-Defined

    That's really sad.

    Honestly, I think you could successfully diagnose most younger kids as sociopathic. It seems like it's taking them longer, they are getting older and older, before developing any empathy.
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    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Human Cruelty Re-Defined

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    That's really sad.

    Honestly, I think you could successfully diagnose most younger kids as sociopathic. It seems like it's taking them longer, they are getting older and older, before developing any empathy.
    The act itself is undeniably heinous, but I'd argue that our society has become more empathetic over time, and most likely treats those with special needs and minorities in general better than we ever have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    The act itself is undeniably heinous, but I'd argue that our society has become more empathetic over time, and most likely treats those with special needs and minorities in general better than we ever have.
    Adults, yes.


    Kids (ages 5-early 20s or so), not so much.

    A clear lack of empathy is what caused this. A clear lack of empathy is what is causing all of our mass shootings, as well. Lack of empathy is what causes bullying. It's what causes rape on college campuses.

    No, from what I see, kids and young adults are becoming less empathetic to their fellow humans, these days. At some point, they HAVE to develop it, as a condition of becoming a member of the society in which they intend to live. Which is to say, around the time these folks are looking to get jobs, move out of mom and dad's house, buy a house, etc etc etc.
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    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Human Cruelty Re-Defined

    Quote Originally Posted by The German View Post
    Help me out here, does attacking a person with a disability constitute a hate crime?

    Congress has defined a hate crime as a “criminal offense against a person or property motivated in whole or in part by an offender’s bias against a race, religion, disability, ethnic origin or sexual orientation.”
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    Re: Human Cruelty Re-Defined

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Adults, yes.


    Kids (ages 5-early 20s or so), not so much.

    A clear lack of empathy is what caused this. A clear lack of empathy is what is causing all of our mass shootings, as well. Lack of empathy is what causes bullying. It's what causes rape on college campuses.

    No, from what I see, kids and young adults are becoming less empathetic to their fellow humans, these days. At some point, they HAVE to develop it, as a condition of becoming a member of the society in which they intend to live. Which is to say, around the time these folks are looking to get jobs, move out of mom and dad's house, buy a house, etc etc etc.
    There's much more to these types of issues than a lack of empathy. Just like there's more to being a psychopath than 'lacking empathy'.

    My autistic son often lacks empathy - but he also lacks an urge to dominate or control others, to belittle and demean - etc etc etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    There's much more to these types of issues than a lack of empathy. Just like there's more to being a psychopath than 'lacking empathy'.

    My autistic son often lacks empathy - but he also lacks an urge to dominate or control others, to belittle and demean - etc etc etc.

    Lack of empathy is 50%. In fact, it's the textbook definition of sociopath. It takes a numb person to shoot up a school full of kids, or a movie theater, or to pour a bucket of **** and piss onto the head of another.

    Yes, your autistic son lacks outward signs of empathy. It's why he's likely anti social. But that doesn't mean he's a future serial killer.

    The desire to dominate is the other half, the id. But the id is, for most of us, balanced out, kept in check, if you will, by our empathy, and our ego. We don't act out on our aggressive impulses because because we can empathize; gunnery sgt hartman said it best in Full Metal Jacket. "It is a hard HEART that kills!" That was the entire point of boot camp. To break a person down, destroy their ego, bring them closer to a more basic, and less human, being. Someone who listens less to their empathy, and focuses more fully on "objective completion". Why? Because war is in many ways an inhuman act. As we have progressed sociologically, civilization has placed more tenants upon us. Though shalt not kill. Killing others was a simple fact of life in pre civilization. We have a lot of evidence backing that up. But we have suppressed those basic instincts with indoctrination, a necessary step to have ever larger societies.

    And yet, lately, in the last 10 years or so, I'm seeing a shift, at least as far as younger people go. Once upon a time, there was 2, maybe three school bullies. And they were bad. They were physical. Now? Well, now, it seems, almost everyone bullies someone else, when given the oportunity. Sure, not by pushing or slapping someone, or by throwing dirt at their face, etc. It's gone online, and it's verbal, now. It's common to see one person bullied by HUNDREDS now, online. And sure, it's easy for us to say, no problem, just unplug. But it's not that easy, is it? Facebook, twitter, and whatever else is out there...these are the means by which these kids interact with their peers. The advice of "unplugging" to escape bullying is no better than telling your child not to go to school for fear of bullies, or to sit by themselves in the cafeteria, and to stay off the playground at recess. It seems to me, bullying has become MUCH more prevalent than it was in my day, it's just less visible. A nasty comment on your wall or whatever in facebook never gave anyone a black eye.

    And so I ask myself why. And the only conclusion I can come up with, when thinking about this, and then seeing stories like the OP, is that kids are becoming more emotionally detached. They are not developing empathy as early as they used to, as folks my age did when we were kids. The instinct to dominate, to seek the highest elevation over others, is unchanged, and likely will remain so.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Human Cruelty Re-Defined

    I don't think this is a sign that the kids who did it are emotionally detached - or that it's a new horror in society.

    I think they're being quite normal. It's society's response to it that has changed and become more harsh. We used to take boys like her son and put them in mental facilities because they were 'not normal'.

    - Being the mom of kids with serious issues, I see all this very differently than others I guess. I've spent countless hours reading, researching, engaging children of all mental capacities, and in therapy and psychologist offices having them explain the science of things to me.

    A gross prank = encouraged by society that flocks to youtube and tv shows in which people are seen to do nothing but gross, degrading things to their selves and others all in the name of 'fun'.
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    Re: Human Cruelty Re-Defined

    Quote Originally Posted by The German View Post
    Help me out here, does attacking a person with a disability constitute a hate crime?
    In a case like that I'm sue a prosecutor will try and find a angle. Unfortunately, that kind of monstrosity has existed in the adolescnet world for quite some time. The kid's famlies will likely be run out of town and that's good enough for 'em. Moreover, now the kids have to go back to school and face the s*** they get for the s*** they gave...
    “The people do no want virtue; but they are the dupes of pretended patriots” : Elbridge Gerry of Mass; Constitutional Convention 1787

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