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    Re: Human Cruelty Re-Defined

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Perhaps we are as a society becoming more empathetic in total.... but in some areas we're showing LESS empathy.
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    BTW, when I googled this I came across this video. Kinda funny.

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    Re: Human Cruelty Re-Defined

    When I was a kid I used to hear stories of boy scouts holding new or younger scouts at camp by the feet over an outdoor latrine.


    Maybe the cruelty seems more prevalent because it gets more attention than it used to.

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    Re: Human Cruelty Re-Defined

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Interesting theory.

    Without necessarily agreeing entirely, let's look at something that changed in the past 20 years.... the rise of the Internet.

    Could anyone here disagree that many people seem far more inclined to be rude and callous to others amid the anonymity of the Internet, than is normally the case in FTF RL? Well, if you've been on DP long you'd have a hard time disagreeing.... and DP is moderated more strictly than most internet forums! Yet we still see a lot more rudeness, if not downright hatefulness, than you normally see in FTF interactions between adults.

    Reason? You can be rude, crude, lewd, mean, petty, spiteful and hateful on the Internet.... and generally be insulated from your victim's immediate reaction. They can't punch you through the computer screen. If they even know who you really are, they can't get at you until much later after the initial fury and indignation has perhaps worn off or cooled down... and I think that makes a huge difference.

    Another reason I think those who primarily socialize on the internet are often less empathetic than they would be IRL FTF, is because they don't directly and personally SEE their victim's emotional response, the hurt and pain on their face, that they would in person.

    And over time perhaps some of these folks become more insensitive in general, enough so to carry their online behavior into the RW.

    Now we've got a generation of children reaching adulthood who grew up with the Internet....

    Makes you wonder, anyway.
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    People can blame the internet for this, but it's because of the internet that we hear about this. If this exact same story happened in 1980, we wouldn't know about it because there wasn't a medium for others to find out about it. I'm not entirely convinced that kids are crueler now, it's just that thanks to youtube and cell phone videos we see more of it. This effect scales all the way up from cruel pranks by teens to beheadings in the middle east.
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    Re: Human Cruelty Re-Defined

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    When I was a kid I used to hear stories of boy scouts holding new or younger scouts at camp by the feet over an outdoor latrine.


    Maybe the cruelty seems more prevalent because it gets more attention than it used to.
    Not even the same ballpark. I went through the scouts from tiger (1st grade) through Eagle. There was playful joking around, it was NOT a gang of thugs. Perhaps you should think twice before using a second hand account to smear others.

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    Re: Human Cruelty Re-Defined

    Quote Originally Posted by rhinefire View Post
    It is impossible to believe young people or any people could do this. "Cruelty" has been forever redefined.

    BAY VILLAGE, Ohio - Comedian Drew Carey is offering to help police find those involved in dumping a bucket of urine and feces on a special-needs teen in Ohio who was reportedly told the prank was part of the "Ice Bucket Challenge." The Cleveland native posted on his Twitter account Saturday that he's willing to donate $10,000 if police in suburban Bay Village want to start a reward fund.
    The 14-year-old boy's mother found a cellphone video of teenagers dumping the bucket on her autistic son.
    Bay Village High School organized a vigil for the teen before a football game on Friday and school officials have condemned the prank.
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    Re: Human Cruelty Re-Defined

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Not even the same ballpark. I went through the scouts from tiger (1st grade) through Eagle. There was playful joking around, it was NOT a gang of thugs. Perhaps you should think twice before using a second hand account to smear others.

    When I want advice from you I'll ask, thanx. Just because it didn't happen to you doesn't mean it didn't happen. Boy scouts aren't any more immune from commiting cruelty and bullying than children who aren't scouts. There's plenty of first hand accounts of scouts behaving badly....

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    One news story doesn't mean that it's a new phenomena, either. Children have been cruel to each for as long as there have been children and it doesn't matter if they're boy scouts or choir boys.


    Btw, did you know that Mike Huckabee's kid tortured and hung a dog from a tree at boy scout camp? Of course that's just a second hand story but it does show how wrong you are.

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    Re: Human Cruelty Re-Defined

    Quote Originally Posted by The German View Post
    Help me out here, does attacking a person with a disability constitute a hate crime?


    Why should it, when they are not even human to begin with?
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    Re: Human Cruelty Re-Defined

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Yes, your autistic son lacks outward signs of empathy. It's why he's likely anti social. But that doesn't mean he's a future serial killer.
    I do not think that autistic people can become sociopaths, irrelevant that both lack empathy.
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    Re: Human Cruelty Re-Defined

    When I was about 7, or 8, we lived in a neighborhood where a (What we called them then) retarded kid who was about 14, 15 lived. All of us "gang" of kids picked on him constantly. It is something I regret even to this day, and why I have a special place in my heart for protecting kids when I see this happening to them. I can't imagine the pain I and my "friends" caused this poor kid who's only crime was that he was different than all of us. I shared that not to provide insight into my soul, but because even if it allows some to past judgment on me, it is criticism that is rightly deserved, and something I fell shame, and absolutely guilty for, and will for the rest of my life.

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    Re: Human Cruelty Re-Defined

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    The act itself is undeniably heinous, but I'd argue that our society has become more empathetic over time, and most likely treats those with special needs and minorities in general better than we ever have.
    The act is without a doubt heinous.

    However, I don't believe people are actually more empathetic than they used to be, they just pay it better lip service. Unfortunately, it seems most kids are taught that they are special and deserve only the best, with no grasp on what the real world is going to do to them. They carry that forward in lower tolerance of those different then themselves.

    i.e. Thrill killings, bullying in RL and via media, the political divide, racial incidents and overall more tendency to violence as a method of dealing with those different than themselves.
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