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FBI: Cuban Intelligence Aggressively Recruiting Leftist American Academics as Spies,

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MadLib said:
You're right. We should do something about these evil leftist subversives. I suggest burning at the stake, although I'm sure hanging will suffice.
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When theres a problem, the first step to solving it is acknowledging it exists.

There are leftist spies in academia, and thats a problem. Can we at least both agree on that?
 
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MadLib said:
You're right. We should do something about these evil leftist subversives. I suggest burning at the stake, although I'm sure hanging will suffice.
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Drama much?
 
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MadLib said:
You're right. We should do something about these evil leftist subversives. I suggest burning at the stake, although I'm sure hanging will suffice.
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Hanging under the law is the punishment for traitors. But in the case of the Rosenbergs, hanging wasn't good enough and the closest thing to burning at the stake was the electric chair.

Now desertion on the battlefield what the Obama White House calls "serving with honor and distinction" is also a capital offense under the UCMJ punishable by death from musketry. So is falling asleep while on guard duty. But rape while serving in the military is punishable by hanging.
 
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APACHERAT said:
Hanging under the law is the punishment for traitors. But in the case of the Rosenbergs, hanging wasn't good enough and the closest thing to burning at the stake was the electric chair.

Now desertion on the battlefield what the Obama White House calls "serving with honor and distinction" is also a capital offense under the UCMJ punishable by death from musketry. So is falling asleep while on guard duty. But rape while serving in the military is punishable by hanging.
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Interesting. Do they use the term "musketry"? Isn't hanging still an accepted means of execution by the feds (and apparently here, military)?
 
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US Conservative said:
When theres a problem, the first step to solving it is acknowledging it exists. There are leftist spies in academia, and thats a problem. Can we at least both agree on that?
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Yes the first step is admitting a problem... now if a few right wing whiners would just admit they have an obsession/fixation with over hyped CON whines about 'academia' that would be a good start.

From the rather fact light article it appears the Cubans, for all the years it is claimed they have made academia a target (mostly on the word of a defector trying to get a good sell out deal from the Americans, think 'Curveball' from the Iraq War) their success record is worse than the Israelis targeting Navy crypto specialists or the Roosians turning FBI/CIA agents. :roll:

Given the number of 'leftie' academics in the country it appears so few 'turn' compared to the number of Navy crypto guys or FBI agents.

Thinking the CON ranters should throw a parade for the academics and vilify the Navy's oversight of top secret code handlers- if they really think there is a problem...

But I have to wonder just what does the CON game players think Cuba is gaining by this program? Something concrete for a change would be nice from the CON wailers.... :peace
 
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notquiteright said:
Yes the first step is admitting a problem... now if a few right wing whiners would just admit they have an obsession/fixation with over hyped CON whines about 'academia' that would be a good start.
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Read the last line of my sig.
 
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US Conservative said:
Interesting. Do they use the term "musketry"? Isn't hanging still an accepted means of execution by the feds (and apparently here, military)?
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Musketry is used here -> http://www.loc.gov/rr/frd/Military_Law/pdf/procedure_june-1944.pdf

But you are right, most executions by the U.S. military were by hanging.

>" The military of the United States executed 160 soldiers and other members of the armed forces between 1942 and 1961 (these figures do not include German prisoners of war, war criminals, spies, and saboteurs executed by U.S. military authorities between 1942 and 1951). There have been no military executions since 1961 although the death penalty is still a possible punishment for several crimes under the Uniform Code of Military Justice. Of these executions, 157 were carried out by the United States Army. The United States Air Force conducted the three remaining executions, one in 1950 and two in 1954. The U.S. Navy has not executed anyone since 1849. The United States Army had previously executed a total of 36 soldiers during the First World War, all taking place by hanging between 5 November 1917 and 20 June 1919. Eleven of these hangings were performed in France while the remaining 25 were carried out in continental United States.[1]
Of the total, 106 were executed for murder (including 21 involving rape), 53 for rape and one (Eddie Slovik) for desertion..."<

Capital punishment by the United States military - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

12 were executed by a firing squad and all of the others were hung.


The U.S. Military Death Penalty | Death Penalty Information Center

But I noticed the military now uses lethal injection. Don't know when they started this practice. The cost of Manila rope ? If the firing squad is armed with M-16's that it would take to many rounds to kill the condemned ? Probably the later. :lol:
 
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US Conservative said:
When theres a problem, the first step to solving it is acknowledging it exists.

There are leftist spies in academia, and thats a problem. Can we at least both agree on that?
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Of course. But that is not a problem with leftism in general, in the same way that academics working with foreign intelligence for research purposes doesn't prove that research is bad. You don't think Putin - a right-wing autocrat - tries to recruit intelligence operatives in the US?
Jango said:
Drama much?
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I'm not the one accusing an entire political ideology of being a fifth column. This is an attempt by US Conservative to accuse political opponents of being commie subversives, nothing more, nothing less.
 
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US Conservative said:
Read the last line of my sig.
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The CON game- ignoring all facts that don't fit the CON whine... using a few cherry picked facts to fit the CON motive....

We having fun yet????
 
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APACHERAT said:
There's two types of history revisionism, the one I usually reference to is liberal revisionism which first was adopted by the left in America around in 1964. It's part of Marxist culturalism.
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Your groupings mostly don't make sense. One example of revisionism is the 1960s revisionism, but its influences were multifaceted. Only one of those was strictly Marxist (neo-Marxist, to be more precise). Much of the rest was influenced by demographic minority consciousness (race, gender, sexual orientation, disability), not economic structures. Once again, those revisionisms had flaws, but were ultimately necessary because they asked new questions and delivered some insightful answers previously overlooked.
 
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MadLib said:
Of course. But that is not a problem with leftism in general, in the same way that academics working with foreign intelligence for research purposes doesn't prove that research is bad. You don't think Putin - a right-wing autocrat - tries to recruit intelligence operatives in the US?

I'm not the one accusing an entire political ideology of being a fifth column. This is an attempt by US Conservative to accuse political opponents of being commie subversives, nothing more, nothing less.
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Me: There are lefty spies in academia..

You: Yeah but they aren't ALL spies. :roll:

Again, read the last line of my sig. Thats you.
 
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notquiteright said:
The CON game- ignoring all facts that don't fit the CON whine... using a few cherry picked facts to fit the CON motive....

We having fun yet????
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I didn't invent these facts, they are real, according to the FBI. The crazy thing about facts-they are still true even if someone you dont like brings them up. :2wave:
 
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US Conservative said:
Me: There are lefty spies in academia..

You: Yeah but they aren't ALL spies. :roll:

Again, read the last line of my sig. Thats you.
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What's the point in making a thread about left-leaning spies for Cuba in our academia and focusing on that aspect, even though the FBI report clearly pointed to a multitude of factors (most of which are non-ideological)?

I'm not disputing the facts. Obviously we have spies and fifth-columnists, that's how the world works. I won't even dispute that many leftists can be subversives - after all, the entire American Communist Party was directed by the Soviet Union. No one ever posts facts for the sake of it: there will always be some bias. My issue is with your obvious agenda of demonizing the left.

What do you suppose we do about the Cuban assets in our academia?
 
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MadLib said:
What's the point in making a thread about left-leaning spies for Cuba in our academia and focusing on that aspect, even though the FBI report clearly pointed to a multitude of factors (most of which are non-ideological)?

I'm not disputing the facts. Obviously we have spies and fifth-columnists, that's how the world works. I won't even dispute that many leftists can be subversives - after all, the entire American Communist Party was directed by the Soviet Union. No one ever posts facts for the sake of it: there will always be some bias. My issue is with your obvious agenda of demonizing the left.

What do you suppose we do about the Cuban assets in our academia?
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I mentioned it because we need to remain ever vigilant. By keeping this public, we increase awareness and hopefully diminish it in the future. But if people never hear about it, they dont know theres a problem.

Help me create awareness here-THATS my motive, dont attack me.
 
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MadLib said:
What's the point in making a thread about left-leaning spies for Cuba in our academia and focusing on that aspect, even though the FBI report clearly pointed to a multitude of factors (most of which are non-ideological)?

I'm not disputing the facts. Obviously we have spies and fifth-columnists, that's how the world works. I won't even dispute that many leftists can be subversives - after all, the entire American Communist Party was directed by the Soviet Union. No one ever posts facts for the sake of it: there will always be some bias. My issue is with your obvious agenda of demonizing the left.

What do you suppose we do about the Cuban assets in our academia?
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Arrest them and execute them.
 
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US Conservative said:
I didn't invent these facts, they are real, according to the FBI. The crazy thing about facts-they are still true even if someone you dont like brings them up.
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You just can't admit you're just playing the same old CON game. Find a 'report', blow it out of proportion, forget a little thing called context and then try and lay the CON game off on someone/thing else.

Fact is there is no real left wing spy ring, a Cuban defector claims there is some 'program'. A FEW, read VERY few have been accused of spying, a nit compared to the Russian and our dear friends the Israeli programs and the REAL FACT-

An extreme CON wants to try and make a mountain out of a mole hill, claiming a vague reports says far more than it actually does.

The crazy thing about such CON games, the few facts are true- the wild conclusion some CONs leap to to pure CON masturbatory theater...

Stroke on McDuff... :roll:
 
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notquiteright said:
You just can't admit you're just playing the same old CON game. Find a 'report', blow it out of proportion, forget a little thing called context and then try and lay the CON game off on someone/thing else.

Fact is there is no real left wing spy ring, a Cuban defector claims there is some 'program'. A FEW, read VERY few have been accused of spying, a nit compared to the Russian and our dear friends the Israeli programs and the REAL FACT-

An extreme CON wants to try and make a mountain out of a mole hill, claiming a vague reports says far more than it actually does.

The crazy thing about such CON games, the few facts are true- the wild conclusion some CONs leap to to pure CON masturbatory theater...

Stroke on McDuff... :roll:
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Sometimes reality stings.
Read the last line of my sig. :cool:
 
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US Conservative said:
When theres a problem, the first step to solving it is acknowledging it exists.

There are leftist spies in academia, and thats a problem. Can we at least both agree on that?
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What should be obvious is there are all kinds of ideologies and nationalities represented on any one campus, and there are almost certainly as many types of spies as there are ideologies and nationalities etc. that can be exploited by foreign governments, some of them "leftist," many of them not.
 
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apdst said:
Are they engaging in espionage for a foreign government?
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Oh ok, only certain spying is bad. Didn't read the link of course.
 
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Montecresto said:
Oh ok, only certain spying is bad. Didn't read the link of course.
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Only certain spying is illegal.
 
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