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    Re: Record 92,269,000 Not in Labor Force; Participation Rate Matches 36-Year Low

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    That's why in the early '80s we increased ss tax and started building a trust fund.

    It' really doesn't matter how many workers we have, or how many aren't working or are retired. All that really matters is that we are producing enough for everyone. With technology rapidly replacing the need for human labor, and with our per human hour labor productivity rate increasing, I would think that we will be producing plenty.
    It's still disconcerting that so many don't participate in the labor force.

    To my mind, the human benefits from work, kinda like occupational therapy. Having so many sit about idle, not producing, not caring for themselves, expecting everyone else that produces to provide for them, is really corrosive to those people receiving in many ways. No, they need meaningful work, and help to find it for them, if needed.
    Disinformation campaign? The Russian collusion meme pushed by the 'news' media, behaving as a political propaganda organ, hell bent to destroy a legitimately elected president to implement his agenda per the votes of the same electorate. Reference The Big Lie Reference Goebbels

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    Re: Record 92,269,000 Not in Labor Force; Participation Rate Matches 36-Year Low

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    It's still disconcerting that so many don't participate in the labor force.

    To my mind, the human benefits from work, kinda like occupational therapy. Having so many sit about idle, not producing, not caring for themselves, expecting everyone else that produces to provide for them, is really corrosive to those people receiving in many ways. No, they need meaningful work, and help to find it for them, if needed.
    You realize that a majority of those not in the labor force are retired, disabled, or full time students? And that's not even talking about the stay-home spouses.
    Therefore, since the world has still/Much good, but much less good than ill,
    And while the sun and moon endure/Luck's a chance, but trouble's sure,
    I'd face it as a wise man would,/And train for ill and not for good.

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    Re: Record 92,269,000 Not in Labor Force; Participation Rate Matches 36-Year Low

    Quote Originally Posted by pinqy View Post
    You realize that a majority of those not in the labor force are retired, disabled, or full time students? And that's not even talking about the stay-home spouses.
    What of those that have given up trying to find employment? Exhausted their unemployment benefits, and have just quit looking?

    I've heard that there's a big spike in applications for being classified as disabled.
    Disinformation campaign? The Russian collusion meme pushed by the 'news' media, behaving as a political propaganda organ, hell bent to destroy a legitimately elected president to implement his agenda per the votes of the same electorate. Reference The Big Lie Reference Goebbels

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    Re: Record 92,269,000 Not in Labor Force; Participation Rate Matches 36-Year Low

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    What of those that have given up trying to find employment?
    Given up? 775,000

    Exhausted their unemployment benefits, and have just quit looking?
    Benefits aren't asked about in the labor force statistics, But the breakdown of why people are not in the labor force is Table A-38
    For why people don't want a job, there's no specific data, but you can browse BLS tables to find age of those not in the labor force, or disabled not in the labor force or those enrolled in school not in the labor force.

    I've heard that there's a big spike in applications for being classified as disabled.
    Perhaps. But irrelevant. If someone doesn't want a job, they're not unemployed. Doesn't matter why or what they're doing instead as far as the statistics go.
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    Re: Record 92,269,000 Not in Labor Force; Participation Rate Matches 36-Year Low

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    It's still disconcerting that so many don't participate in the labor force.

    To my mind, the human benefits from work, kinda like occupational therapy. Having so many sit about idle, not producing, not caring for themselves, expecting everyone else that produces to provide for them, is really corrosive to those people receiving in many ways. No, they need meaningful work, and help to find it for them, if needed.
    Why? Are you jealous?

    Someone else has already presented evidence that only about 7% of those who don't participate in the workforce are without a legit reason for not participating. That works out to something like 2.5% of our population overall. Seems to me that a population with only 2.5% slackers is pretty strong.
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    I see a big problem with the idea that whatever the majority wants is OK.

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    Re: Record 92,269,000 Not in Labor Force; Participation Rate Matches 36-Year Low

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    It's still disconcerting that so many don't participate in the labor force. To my mind, the human benefits from work, kinda like occupational therapy. Having so many sit about idle, not producing, not caring for themselves, expecting everyone else that produces to provide for them, is really corrosive to those people receiving in many ways. No, they need meaningful work, and help to find it for them, if needed.
    I see components of fascism in that philosophy.

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    Re: Record 92,269,000 Not in Labor Force; Participation Rate Matches 36-Year Low

    Its always amazing how one can says its "pocket change" when its over $60 billion and not their money. I guess you'd call that label progressives but I call them criminals stealing from those who work hard and are forced to pay taxes for those who don't bother.


    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    I quickly accounted for 90 out of 92 million persons classified as "out of the workforce" and you are worried about the proverbial "pocket change".... the very little I did not account for.

    Sorry, but the Con(trarian)s keep talking about the 92 million "not in the workforce" as if this where some type of economic calamity (see OP), without ever telling you what the number means (probably because they do not know, and as typical with Cons, do not want to know)... tried of people recklessly throwing facts around, I decided to find out for myself (I know, rare in these parts)... the chart I posted earlier accounts for 90 million of 92 million.

    Guess what? CONtrary to what the Cons want you to believe, 90 million of this number (and probably more) have legitimate reasons to be "out of the workforce"... yet the Con(trarian)s want you to believe that this 90 million number should be outrage ("90 million people not working") suggesting they are "discouraged" or "deadbeats".... The real outrage is those that use this number to try to "incite" an outcome, such as was done by the OP.

    There is nothing outrageous in the number; there is only something outrageous in the disingenuous use of this number by right wing porn sites and the ignoramuses that visit them. I did not account for 2 million people in my quick and dirty view (perhaps you can) as the 2 million were not the point; the 90 million were.



    As to student loans, they may be one of the best benefits the government offers. Once upon a time, when we had state universities, we had low tuition (even free tuition in some places)... but since states have universally pulled funding from their university systems, higher education is out of reach for far too many.... while I appreciate the fact that the Cons would prefer to keep "those people" in their place..... history has shown that a society moves forward when their best and brightest have an opportunity to lead. Keeping talent down simply because they can't afford an education is not in the best interests of any forward thinking society (which, is not what America is anymore, I get it)

    I, for one, am a beneficiary of student loans. They financed 1/2 my education. I paid back every penny, with interest... and my taxes resulting from my earnings differential post college v not going to college certainly pays for student loans of many, many other kids. Society got a good return on investment from me, as they will from most partaking of student loans.

    First, it is almost impossible to get out of paying your student loan as they are not forgiven in a bankruptcy...but, if you have a problem with student loans, we probably should have better regulation of diploma mills that exist solely to get students to apply for student loans and pay the school...without ever expecting the student to succeed in their 4th rate "school"). Maybe not allow colleges or schools to be "for profit"...

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    Students at For-Profit Colleges Are Most Likely to Default on Loans, Report Says - Government - The Chronicle of Higher Education
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    Re: Record 92,269,000 Not in Labor Force; Participation Rate Matches 36-Year Low

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    I see components of fascism in that philosophy.
    Does this mean that you acknowledge that there are some who are able bodied but refuse to do any work at all, and would rather sit and collect?
    Disinformation campaign? The Russian collusion meme pushed by the 'news' media, behaving as a political propaganda organ, hell bent to destroy a legitimately elected president to implement his agenda per the votes of the same electorate. Reference The Big Lie Reference Goebbels

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    Re: Record 92,269,000 Not in Labor Force; Participation Rate Matches 36-Year Low

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Does this mean that you acknowledge that there are some who are able bodied but refuse to do any work at all, and would rather sit and collect?
    Apparently that is about 2.5% of our total population (excluding retired folk, the rich, students, etc), so yes, that's an absolute fact. Pisses me off also. But I figure that 2.5% is probably pretty normal. Surely every society has a few slackers.
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    Re: Record 92,269,000 Not in Labor Force; Participation Rate Matches 36-Year Low

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    Apparently that is about 2.5% of our total population (excluding retired folk, the rich, students, etc), so yes, that's an absolute fact. Pisses me off also. But I figure that 2.5% is probably pretty normal. Surely every society has a few slackers.
    You've mentioned that a couple of times here, and I find that low a figure suspect. Can you point to the post where this assertion is made, so that perhaps I can investigate a bit further for myself? Thanks in advance.
    Disinformation campaign? The Russian collusion meme pushed by the 'news' media, behaving as a political propaganda organ, hell bent to destroy a legitimately elected president to implement his agenda per the votes of the same electorate. Reference The Big Lie Reference Goebbels

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