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    Re: McDonnells convicted of corruption

    Quote Originally Posted by FaceofBachmann View Post
    I can't believe Ockham is still pretending Gingrich didn't work for Fox News, despite his ethics violations. Fox is the Elysian Fields of conservatives convicted of crimes or caught in an intern's bed.
    I've never said such a thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by FaceofBachmann View Post
    I honestly think McDonnell will wind up as a Fox analyst.
    That's nice...
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: McDonnells convicted of corruption

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    If they believed they were innocent, they should not have taken the pre-trial deal, no matter how generous. I don't have a problem with the defense strategy from the standpoint of a defense lawyer, but McConnell selling out his wife to save his own skin is unconscionable for someone the purports to put family first.... obviously, he isn't about family values (even if it is true, as it means he neglected his wife, which is not a family value). He was pretty much admitting he was a liar no matter what he did here.
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    Re: McDonnells convicted of corruption

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    First, I'm not comparing Spitzer to McDonnell with regards to their convictions - your accusation of false equivalence is therefore incorrect. You apparently missed the entire point.

    McDonnell knew the limits, he knew what the law stated and he took the money, gifts, etc... anyway. Just another corrupt politician who deserves jail.
    Let's see, you responded to:

    Quote Originally Posted by FaceofBachmann View Post
    Yep, McDonnell's felony conviction will probably not bar him from a bright political future in the felony-haunted GOP, which has the likes of Gingrich as its leading spokesmen (and presidential contenders). It seems to be a habit among conservative republicans to gravitate toward felons.
    With this:

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    You mean like this guy from CNN and now HuffPo?



    Faceofbachman spoke of the GOP gravitating toward felons, to which you responded with a "like this guy", who I pointed out was not a felon... so the "like this guy" was not appropriate, so I responded with:

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    False equivalence. The poster to whom you responded referred to a felon. Spitizer may have been caught red-handed with his .... in his hands, but is not a felon. We have moral infidelity compared to criminal infidelity. They are different things.

    You have may have THOUGHT you said one thing, but forgive me for reading this as your attempt at equivalence. I am not responsible for reading things you did not write; you are responsible for direct interpretations of what you did write.

    Last edited by upsideguy; 09-05-14 at 11:11 PM.

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    Re: McDonnells convicted of corruption

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post

    Faceofbachman spoke of the GOP gravitating toward felons, to which you responded with a "like this guy", who I pointed out was not a felon... so the "like this guy" was not appropriate, so I responded with:
    Comprehension problem - thank you for demonstrating it yet again. Faceofbachman spoke of FOX NEWS gravitating towards felons, not the GOP. How some of you get through the day is beyond me.

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    You have may have THOUGHT you said one thing, but forgive me for reading this as your attempt at equivalence.
    Unfortunately I cannot assist you in comprehending what I said though in this thread. That you're sticking up for another far left view - totally expected. That my view has gone over all of your heads also expected.


    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Please don't bait with video's and pictures.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: McDonnells convicted of corruption

    Don't mean to derail the Gingrich thread but Bob McDonnell can take comfort in knowing that he will still be able to be rewarded for doing favors in prison.

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    Re: McDonnells convicted of corruption

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Corrupt republicans go to jail, corrupt democrats get speaking engagements.

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    Re: McDonnells convicted of corruption

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    I despise politicians who've been given the people's trust through election who turn around and abuse that trust for personal gain. It happens far to often, in my view, and serious penalties should be meted out to these two. Nothing short of double digit jail terms would be sufficient to both serve justice and to serve as a lesson to any others who may be thinking along the same lines.

    And to think, at one time, Bob McDonnell was considered a leading contender for the Republican Presidential and/or Vice-Presidential nomination. Such betrayal is disgusting.
    Last edited by CanadaJohn; 09-06-14 at 07:21 PM.
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    Re: McDonnells convicted of corruption

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I despise politicians who've been given the people's trust through election who turn around and abuse that trust for personal gain. It happens far to often, in my view, and serious penalties should be meted out to these two. Nothing short of double digit jail terms would be sufficient to both serve justice and to serve as a lesson to any others who may be thinking along the same lines.

    And to think, at one time, Bob McDonnell was considered a leading contender for the Republican Presidential and/or Vice-Presidential nomination. Such betrayal is disgusting.

    Taking some slush money is one thing but I still can't comprehend he got giddy over seeing a Rolex watch. What the hell. And then for his wife to get giddy all over a shopping spree.

    They both knew it wasn't proper to be taking these kind of expensive gifts knowing damn well there were big strings attached.

    These two got caught because they both have the IQ of a butter dish. How many other politicians knew how to accept gifts discreetly and have enjoyed the "perks".

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    Re: McDonnells convicted of corruption

    Well, I see this thread took the predictable turn into "WHARRRGARBL DEMOCRATZ R MOAR KURUPT."

    McDonnell either has a terrible lawyer or is a terrible client. He received an offer to plead guilty to one count (with minimal jail time), and it would have spared his wife completely. Instead, all sorts of dirty laundry gets aired, he gets nailed for a whole bunch of charges, AND he tried to throw his wife under the bus.
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    Re: McDonnells convicted of corruption

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Well, I see this thread took the predictable turn into "WHARRRGARBL DEMOCRATZ R MOAR KURUPT."

    McDonnell either has a terrible lawyer or is a terrible client. He received an offer to plead guilty to one count (with minimal jail time), and it would have spared his wife completely. Instead, all sorts of dirty laundry gets aired, he gets nailed for a whole bunch of charges, AND he tried to throw his wife under the bus.
    I asked a litigator friend of mine how such an apparently intelligent man with good lawyers could make such a boneheaded call as to turn down that plea deal. His response: "Ego."
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