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    Re: McDonnells convicted of corruption

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    Kind of sad that such a prestigious position such as governor is sold out for a watch and wedding reception costs. Seems so petty and immature. What kind of people are we electing as the "best" of us to do these jobs.
    It does amaze you that him and his wife were so stupid to think taking all these free expensive gifts wouldn't raise an eyebrow.

    Nothing but a cheap whore. They should automatic review all his transactions when governor. I really doubt it is his and the missus first rodeo.

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    Re: McDonnells convicted of corruption

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    It does amaze you that him and his wife were so stupid to think taking all these free expensive gifts wouldn't raise an eyebrow.

    Nothing but a cheap whore. They should automatic review all his transactions when governor. I really doubt it is his and the missus first rodeo.
    Their blind spot came from the fact that none of this was against Virginia law. The prosecution was federal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FaceofBachmann View Post
    As with Gingrich, this felony will assure McDonnell will have a prominent political future in the GOP and as a Fox News analyst.
    He might even have a presidential nomination for the G.O.P.
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    Re: McDonnells convicted of corruption

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    You mean like this guy from CNN and now HuffPo?




    False equivalence. The poster to whom you responded referred to a felon. Spitizer may have been caught red-handed with his .... in his hands, but is not a felon. We have moral infidelity compared to criminal infidelity. They are different things.


    That all said, I may take the minority position here to think the McDonnell convictions are really justice running amuck. They seem more guilty of stupidity than anything else. There doesn't seem to be any real corruption here (no benefit to the corrupter), just stupidity in taking things that should not be benefits of the job. Stupidity is not a crime, though is should disqualify you for public office (hear that Michelle Bachman?). It seems the prosecution overplayed their hand here.

    On the hand, we did expose yet another hypocrite: the family value guy was more than happy to throw his wife under the bus to save is his own skin. How is that for family values? Move over David Vetter, the Cons have a new Hypocrite of the Year.

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    Re: McDonnells convicted of corruption

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    False equivalence. The poster to whom you responded referred to a felon. Spitizer may have been caught red-handed with his .... in his hands, but is not a felon. We have moral infidelity compared to criminal infidelity. They are different things.


    That all said, I may take the minority position here to think the McDonnell convictions are really justice running amuck. They seem more guilty of stupidity than anything else. There doesn't seem to be any real corruption here (no benefit to the corrupter), just stupidity in taking things that should not be benefits of the job. Stupidity is not a crime, though is should disqualify you for public office (hear that Michelle Bachman?). It seems the prosecution overplayed their hand here.

    On the hand, we did expose yet another hypocrite: the family value guy was more than happy to throw his wife under the bus to save is his own skin. How is that for family values? Move over David Vetter, the Cons have a new Hypocrite of the Year.
    They were offered a generous pretrial plea bargain but declined. In retrospect that was another bonehead move. I don't have a problem with the guilty verdict but I also don't have a problem with the defense strategy. Who knows? Maybe it was true.
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    Re: McDonnells convicted of corruption

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Their blind spot came from the fact that none of this was against Virginia law. The prosecution was federal.
    Taking bribes is legal under Virginia law? Then it must be Christmas everyday for Virginian politicians.

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    Re: McDonnells convicted of corruption

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    Taking bribes is legal under Virginia law? Then it must be Christmas everyday for Virginian politicians.
    Rules on gifts and reporting thereof are extremely lax, and a bribe must be tied directly to a specific act done in return. This was a federal prosecution because none of it was illegal under Virginia law.
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    Re: McDonnells convicted of corruption

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    They were offered a generous pretrial plea bargain but declined. In retrospect that was another bonehead move. I don't have a problem with the guilty verdict but I also don't have a problem with the defense strategy. Who knows? Maybe it was true.
    If they believed they were innocent, they should not have taken the pre-trial deal, no matter how generous. I don't have a problem with the defense strategy from the standpoint of a defense lawyer, but McConnell selling out his wife to save his own skin is unconscionable for someone the purports to put family first.... obviously, he isn't about family values (even if it is true, as it means he neglected his wife, which is not a family value). He was pretty much admitting he was a liar no matter what he did here.

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    Re: McDonnells convicted of corruption

    And don't forget that, for every McDonnell, there is a Blagojevich. They are all, Democrats and Republicans alike, crooked as the day is long.
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    Re: McDonnells convicted of corruption

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Their blind spot came from the fact that none of this was against Virginia law. The prosecution was federal.
    That's the somewhat confusing part to me. What they did was well within the Virginia laws, but not the federal laws. Don't get me wrong, they both deserve to be punished, but I am confused why this became a federal issue. And what they did was pretty rotten, I'm not sure I support the idea of them spending decades in a federal prison. They didn't cause any kind of massive widespread corruption and this seemed more a quid pro quo than anything else, mostly benefitting his wife (who I'm pretty sure had a major crush on that guy).

    That said, I hope this is a lesson to all other politicians, but I won't hold my breath on that.

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