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    Re: Teen sues DMV after being told to remove makeup

    Quote Originally Posted by Gringo allstar View Post
    So then I should be able to shower with women at the gym, or else it's gender discrimination? ?
    I've changed with men, so don't even try this on me.

    He isn't asking to use either the women's restroom or locker room. He has never said he thinks of himself as a woman. He said that he should be allowed to wear makeup and women's clothing and hairstyles and act as feminine as he wants. Wearing makeup does not make a person a woman or female, nor does not wearing makeup make a person male or a man.
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    Re: Teen sues DMV after being told to remove makeup

    Quote Originally Posted by Gringo allstar View Post
    The reason there is no laws on the books for this it's because it wasn't need. People used to have common sense! But the education system as beat that out of them, so now we have nonsense such as this.
    There are no laws on the books because it is gender discrimination. It doesn't pass constitutional muster. Such laws would be struck down in a heartbeat, which is why this boy will most likely win his case in court.
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    Re: Teen sues DMV after being told to remove makeup

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Makeup is not an indicator of gender, either the presence or absence of.
    He's already admitted to wanting to be female.
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    Re: Teen sues DMV after being told to remove makeup

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    He's already admitted to wanting to be female.
    Where? I haven't seen this. Every article I've seen on this he claims to be "gender nonconforming", not transgendered.
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    Re: Teen sues DMV after being told to remove makeup

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Where? I haven't seen this. Every article I've seen on this he claims to be "gender nonconforming", not transgendered.
    He's being represented by a New York group known as the Transgender Legal Defense and Education Fund.

    WTH do think he's shooting for?
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    Re: Teen sues DMV after being told to remove makeup

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    IMO he's hiding his true gender. Will it say 'male' on his ID?

    If so he needs to present himself as a male for the picture.
    If he want's to be a woman, go through the change and go to court to get your name changed.

    Again,I have no sympathy for weirdness.
    What a stupid statement. Do you also want to turn down girls from getting photo ID unless they are wearing girly clothes with makeup and their hair done?

    The photo is for identification, and nothing he did would prevent it from being used as such. In fact if he dresses like that every day it would help with identification. It's not him hiding his gender, it's him looking the way he wants to look.

    You have presented no rationalization for preventing him from appearing as he does normally for his photo ID. You're entire argument boils down to the childish notion that "well it says male, therefor he has to look the way I THINK a male should look". Your opinion on what a male is allowed to wear has no effect on what they are actually allowed to wear.
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    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
    **Thirty Minutes Later**
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    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: Teen sues DMV after being told to remove makeup

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    He's being represented by a New York group known as the Transgender Legal Defense and Education Fund.

    WTH do think he's shooting for?
    Which supports him because of the mistakes you just made. He has consistently said that he is "gender nonconforming". This is not the same thing as someone who wants to eventually change their sex. In the future, this may change. But right now he and his mother use masculine pronouns, which is a good indicator that he plans on staying a "he", just one that wears stuff normally worn by a "she". Basically he is more feminine than most "hes" usually are.
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    Re: Teen sues DMV after being told to remove makeup

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    What a stupid statement. Do you also want to turn down girls from getting photo ID unless they are wearing girly clothes with makeup and their hair done?

    The photo is for identification, and nothing he did would prevent it from being used as such. In fact if he dresses like that every day it would help with identification. It's not him hiding his gender, it's him looking the way he wants to look.

    You have presented no rationalization for preventing him from appearing as he does normally for his photo ID. You're entire argument boils down to the childish notion that "well it says male, therefor he has to look the way I THINK a male should look". Your opinion on what a male is allowed to wear has no effect on what they are actually allowed to wear.
    Terrorists dress up as women too.

    Like I said security.
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    Re: Teen sues DMV after being told to remove makeup

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Terrorists dress up as women too.

    Like I said security.
    I've heard toddlers babble better arguments than what you've just presented here.

    He's wearing some makeup. That doesn't make him unidentifiable. And it doesn't make him a security threat.

    Any more bull**** you want to throw and see if it sticks?
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
    **Thirty Minutes Later**
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: Teen sues DMV after being told to remove makeup

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Terrorists dress up as women too.

    Like I said security.
    And he would not be stopped at security for just dressing as a woman.
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