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    Re: Teen sues DMV after being told to remove makeup

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    The DMV doesn't make me take off my glasses either. I need them to drive. It's on my license. And?
    In the earlier thread about this (from June I think), it was being said that people were being made to remove their glasses on their passport photos and licenses for the same reason that you can't smile, because it screws up computer identification software that is working from photos the states/government has on file, such as your license photo or passport photo.
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    Re: Teen sues DMV after being told to remove makeup

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    To quote Yogi Berra, this seems like deja vu all over again. Didn't we have this discussion about 8 months ago?

    Anyway, my position remains the same - if the government, the issuer of the privilege, believes you are in costume or disguise when getting your driver's license ID pic, they have the right to deny you the license. You should appear as natural as possible in such pics, in my view.
    A driver's license is not a right.


    We'll see what the court(s) have to say about this.

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    Re: Teen sues DMV after being told to remove makeup

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    To me it seems totally off the wall. But truth be told, I hope SC loses.
    I hope SC curb stomps the **** out of this whiny bitch.
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    Re: Teen sues DMV after being told to remove makeup

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    What does that have to do with anything? His birth certificate says he's a male because he was born with a penis. He's a male because of his chromosomes.

    For the second time, I never said anyone is identified by a male or a female based on makeup or what the person wears.
    Then there is no reason he should have had to remove his makeup just for being male. It wasn't a disguise. It was what he normally wears, even if he identifies as a male, as he does. He has said he doesn't feel he is transgendered, only that he is gender nonconforming.
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    Re: Teen sues DMV after being told to remove makeup

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    The DMV doesn't make me take off my glasses either. I need them to drive. It's on my license. And?
    They have never asked me to shave off a mustache or beard, and I look very different without either. They never make anyone get their hair color changed to "normal" or people with colored contacts to remove them.

    Any of these could be described as "disguise"
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    Re: Teen sues DMV after being told to remove makeup

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Then there is no reason he should have had to remove his makeup just for being male. It wasn't a disguise. It was what he normally wears, even if he identifies as a male, as he does. He has said he doesn't feel he is transgendered, only that he is gender nonconforming.
    I never said it was a disguise. I also never said he was a transgender. You seem to be confusing me with someone else.

    I can change my appearance tomorrow. I can dye my hair black, cut it short, get brown-colored contacts, and stop waxing my eyebrows and I wouldn't look anything like I do today. That's the case with anyone in SC and unless the state catches the people whose appearances change dramatically from their last taken photo ID, they're going to have this problem no matter what they decide to do here. I see this as them controlling what picture they take today that gives off what appearance that matches what is identified as the official sex on the ID. Like someone else said, a driver's license isn't a right.

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    Re: Teen sues DMV after being told to remove makeup

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I never said it was a disguise. I also never said he was a transgender. You seem to be confusing me with someone else.

    I can change my appearance tomorrow. I can dye my hair black, cut it short, get brown-colored contacts, and stop waxing my eyebrows and I wouldn't look anything like I do today. That's the case with anyone in SC and unless the state catches the people whose appearances change dramatically from their last taken photo ID, they're going to have this problem no matter what they decide to do here. I see this as them controlling what picture they take today that gives off what appearance that matches what is identified as the official sex on the ID. Like someone else said, a driver's license isn't a right.
    Which is why they should not make men remove makeup for a driver's license unless they have some evidence that it is meant to be a disguise, rather than trying to rely on gender stereotypes.

    There is no way to know what any person's appearance should look like according to their sex because our outside appearance does not determine our sex, so it is stupid and wrong to base sex off of appearances.

    No, a driver's license is not a right, but equal protection of the law and equal treatment of the government or of government agencies is a right. This includes equal treatment of the genders, unless the government can show an important state interest is furthered by not treating them equally. There is no important state interest furthered by not allowing boys/men to wear makeup for their driver's license photo, but allowing girls/women to, especially if the makeup is barely noticeable, as I have shown it was in this case.
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    Re: Teen sues DMV after being told to remove makeup

    To me, this article helps to better explain the bigger issue here.

    A Photographer Provides an Inside Look at the Stunning World of the Gender Non-Conforming - Mic

    We mistakenly like to view gender as either one or the other when it comes to appearances. To many, a person should either look like a girl or look like a guy, but they shouldn't look like both or neither. I hate this fact.

    This is more an issue for men/guys because women have already gained our ability to look more like a man without much fuss. I can wear most of my husband's clothing and not have people bat an eyelash. But if my husband wore the vast majority of my clothes, he would be viewed as deviant, socially wrong, a problem, and he would be looked at as being wrong by many in doing it.
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    Re: Teen sues DMV after being told to remove makeup

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    They can't. They told him and the news that he was told he couldn't wear it because he is a guy, not for any other reason. Plus, his makeup was really conservative. You can barely tell he is male. Likely the main reason they knew was because of it being on his license.
    If that was the reason, then the state may very well be screwed. Although never say never when it comes to how a court case will turn out.
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    Re: Teen sues DMV after being told to remove makeup

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Because he is not transgendered. He is gender nonconforming, meaning he does not uphold normal gender stereotypes, including what his gender normally wears, how his gender normally acts, and/or any other gender based standards people hold others to.
    No he has a mental disorder, just like someone who professes to be Spiderman, cannot, well actually dress up like Spiderman and expect the DMV to acquiesce.

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