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    Former CIA officer says US policies helped create IS

    American [author and former CIA officer] Graham Fuller emphasized that the West, including the United States, has now accepted that the [Bashar al-] Assad government will retain power. According to Fuller, Turkey has to do the same. Fuller, who described the Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham [now the Islamic State, or IS] as "made in the USA," also made a confession of sorts about the struggle between [Turkey's Justice and Development Party] AKP and the Gulen movement by saying, “It turned out to be deeper than I thought.” But he noted that the positive approach of the Unite toward [Fethullah] Gulen has not changed.



    Radikal: How do you think ISIS [IS] was born?
    Fuller: I think the United States is one of the key creators of this organization. The United States did not plan the formation of ISIS, but its destructive interventions in the Middle East and the war in Iraq were the basic causes of the birth of ISIS. You will remember that that the starting point of this organization was to protest the US invasion of Iraq. In those days it was supported by many non-Islamist Sunnis as well because of their opposition to the Iraq's occupation. I think even today ISIS [now the Islamic State] is supported by many Sunnis who feel isolated by the Shiite government in Baghdad. ISIS was benefiting from the Shiite agenda of the [former Prime Minister Nouri al-] Maliki government. I hope with the departure of Maliki and his replacement by someone who will watch out for Sunni-Shiite balance, polarization in Iraq will diminish. This is the only way to get rid of ISIS, never militarily.


    Radikal: How did all intelligence services fail to understand Assad’s power?
    Fuller: A good question, but [there is] no complete answer. As it was the case with [former Egyptian President Hosni] Mubarak and [former Libyan leader Col. Moammar] Gadhafi, Assad did not face a unified opposition. It is important to know that Assad is not a sectarian leader. Although he is a Nusayri, he favors Sunnis. He is more of an Arab nationalist than all [other] Arab leaders. He supported Palestinians for years. He did not allow Islamists in Syria to gain strength. Christians and other minorities, and even Israel, didn’t like Assad, but they found him much more acceptable than a possible Islamist Sunni government. For Israel, Assad is a predictable foe. If you make a deal with him, he will keep his word even if reaching an agreement with him is never easy. This is why many countries, including the United States, have given up supporting the Syrian opposition. Washington, even if unwillingly, has accepted that Assad will remain in power for now.


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    Great interview, with a man that knows a lot about the region. He states that the US does have some responsibility in the creation of ISIS. It also states that Turkey and the US at some point (if not have already) are going to have to accept that Assad is going to stay in power. It also goes over how the Kurds will win some cultural, social, and political autonomy if not full autonomy in the region.


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    Re: Former CIA officer says US policies helped create IS

    Sounds more like the tinfoil hat nonsence that we usualy get from Arabs.

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    Re: Former CIA officer says US policies helped create IS

    Quote Originally Posted by The German View Post
    Sounds more like the tinfoil hat nonsence that we usualy get from Arabs.
    No; pur problems started over there in 1953 when the CIA installed the Shah. The invasion of Iraq was a waste of time, money and lives and created a boiler plate for jihadists and of course ISIS has a huge presence there now. GW Bush really blew for it for us.
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    Re: Former CIA officer says US policies helped create IS

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    Great interview, with a man that knows a lot about the region. He states that the US does have some responsibility in the creation of ISIS. It also states that Turkey and the US at some point (if not have already) are going to have to accept that Assad is going to stay in power. It also goes over how the Kurds will win some cultural, social, and political autonomy if not full autonomy in the region.
    While I find it hard to disagree with his assessment, his choice of words belies an agenda not the least of which is some mild propaganda of his own.

    I think the United States is one of the key creators of this organization. The United States did not plan the formation of ISIS, but its destructive interventions in the Middle East and the war in Iraq were the basic causes of the birth of ISIS.
    By whose standard are these interventions "destructive"? Again I agree that these policies are an IN-direct causation he seems to be trying to tie the tail on the donkey with gossamer.

    Did the CIA arm ISIS?

    We have evidence that this has happened before, Afghanistan and Al-Qaeda, is it happening here?

    I think he needs to include America's enemies in his assessment. While I hold the US responsible for much unrest in the region, all Americans have to know there are other, "destructive" forces at work in the region.
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    Re: Former CIA officer says US policies helped create IS

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
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    Great interview, with a man that knows a lot about the region. He states that the US does have some responsibility in the creation of ISIS. It also states that Turkey and the US at some point (if not have already) are going to have to accept that Assad is going to stay in power. It also goes over how the Kurds will win some cultural, social, and political autonomy if not full autonomy in the region.
    Heya TDS. Here is something from April of 2013. Which was always why there was always a problem with the Syrian Rebels from the beginning. Which was backed by the MB and the Protests all coming from their influence.



    Islamist Rebels Create Dilemma on Syria Policy.....

    In Syria’s largest city, Aleppo, rebels aligned with Al Qaeda control the power plant, run the bakeries and head a court that applies Islamic law. Elsewhere, they have seized government oil fields, put employees back to work and now profit from the crude they produce. Across Syria, rebel-held areas are dotted with Islamic courts staffed by lawyers and clerics, and by fighting brigades led by extremists. Even the Supreme Military Council, the umbrella rebel organization whose formation the West had hoped would sideline radical groups, is stocked with commanders who want to infuse Islamic law into a future Syrian government. Nowhere in rebel-controlled Syria is there a secular fighting force to speak of. More than two years of violence have radicalized the armed opposition fighting the government of President Bashar al-Assad, leaving few groups that both share the political vision of the United States and have the military might to push it forward.

    The religious agenda of the combatants sets them apart from many civilian activists, protesters and aid workers who had hoped the uprising would create a civil, democratic Syria. When the armed rebellion began, defectors from the government’s staunchly secular army formed the vanguard. The rebel movement has since grown to include fighters with a wide range of views, including Qaeda-aligned jihadis seeking to establish an Islamic emirate, political Islamists inspired by the Muslim Brotherhood and others who want an Islamic-influenced legal code like that found in many Arab states. Another prominent group, Ahrar al-Sham, shares much of Nusra’s extremist ideology but is made up mostly of Syrians.....snip~

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/28/wo...nted=all&_r=1&

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    Re: Former CIA officer says US policies helped create IS

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
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    Great interview, with a man that knows a lot about the region. He states that the US does have some responsibility in the creation of ISIS. It also states that Turkey and the US at some point (if not have already) are going to have to accept that Assad is going to stay in power. It also goes over how the Kurds will win some cultural, social, and political autonomy if not full autonomy in the region.
    Wouldn't doubt it, most of our interventionism backfires on us.
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    Re: Former CIA officer says US policies helped create IS

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    While I find it hard to disagree with his assessment, his choice of words belies an agenda not the least of which is some mild propaganda of his own.



    By whose standard are these interventions "destructive"? Again I agree that these policies are an IN-direct causation he seems to be trying to tie the tail on the donkey with gossamer.

    Did the CIA arm ISIS?

    We have evidence that this has happened before, Afghanistan and Al-Qaeda, is it happening here?

    I think he needs to include America's enemies in his assessment. While I hold the US responsible for much unrest in the region, all Americans have to know there are other, "destructive" forces at work in the region.

    Heya F&L. Here is some old History on much of it from the beginning. We had this up last year.


    In the past, United States officials saw the Islamist groups’ abundant resources as the main draw for recruits, said Steven Heydemann, a senior adviser at the United States Institute of Peace, which works with the State Department.

    “The strategy is based on the current assessment that popular appeal of these groups is transactional, not ideological, and that opportunities exist to peel people away by providing alternative support and resources,” he said. Mr. Heydemann acknowledged, however, that the current momentum toward radicalism could be hard to reverse.....snip~

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/28/wo...nted=all&_r=1&

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/middle...-w-90-a-2.html

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    Re: Former CIA officer says US policies helped create IS

    Good thread.

    Likely that ISIS is "blowback" from US policy and actions. Unintended consequences of poor decisions.

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    Re: Former CIA officer says US policies helped create IS

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    No; pur problems started over there in 1953 when the CIA installed the Shah.

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    Re: Former CIA officer says US policies helped create IS

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Islamist Rebels Create Dilemma on Syria Policy.....

    In Syria’s largest city, Aleppo, rebels aligned with Al Qaeda control the power plant, run the bakeries and head a court that applies Islamic law. Elsewhere, they have seized government oil fields, put employees back to work and now profit from the crude they produce. Across Syria, rebel-held areas are dotted with Islamic courts staffed by lawyers and clerics, and by fighting brigades led by extremists. Even the Supreme Military Council, the umbrella rebel organization whose formation the West had hoped would sideline radical groups, is stocked with commanders who want to infuse Islamic law into a future Syrian government. Nowhere in rebel-controlled Syria is there a secular fighting force to speak of. More than two years of violence have radicalized the armed opposition fighting the government of President Bashar al-Assad, leaving few groups that both share the political vision of the United States and have the military might to push it forward.
    The Times is trying to paper over the Administration's failures. Two years of conflict didn't radicalize the opposition - among the disparate opposition movements, we refused to adequately support the non-Islamists, with the result that they shrank under pressure from both Islamist and Regime forces, who at least worked in tandem to turn the fight into one between the two of them.

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