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    Re: Former CIA officer says US policies helped create IS

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    So I appreciate your position there. But respectfully disagree. While there have been policies that avoided war, I agree with the official in the op, the one criticised for having been retired from the CIA for 25 years now.
    He left under a cloud.
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    Re: Former CIA officer says US policies helped create IS

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Bombing a nation that was not a threat (Iraq) is considered destructive by most impartial observers.
    Yes, and the term for it in international law is "military aggression".

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    Re: Former CIA officer says US policies helped create IS

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Yes well, it was never proven that he was responsible for the gas. And it makes no sense that he would. For one thing, at the time he enjoyed 70% support from Syrian's. Gassing them would not advance his purpose. Gassing his own people would make Putins support more difficult, and gassing his people would be handing the US a green light for military action, that he most certainly didn't want. The UK ended up pulling there support. Hillary Clinton failed in all three of her attempts to secure a resolution for the use of force in Syria, Obama could not get authorisation from congress, and, 70% of Americans were against it.

    You're right that Saudis and Qatar too, are supporting the terrorists working to overthrow president Assad. And then IS as pointed out by the CIA official in the op, has been emboldened by our policies there. So why anyone would want to see more US policy in the region is a mystery.
    I couldn't agree with you more. What we saw was the brutality of Assad. It seems to me that US foreign policy, as well as turning the other cheek woth respect to Saudi funding of terrorism etc has all by ruined our abilities in the ME for any kind of negotiated stability, leaving only force as a logical option; then again, it could very well be that teh heavy weights of influence want that so that the ME can be carved up among certain interests, all of them being commerical. I fear that two things aree going to come from this: the US will be in consistent state of terror ala Israel, and that it will reach a point wherein Israel proper will be held hostage. US ME policy has done nothng but ruin the entire region.
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    Re: Former CIA officer says US policies helped create IS

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    He left under a cloud.
    Of course he did: the agency sees him as a subversive. All the man ahs done is simply verify what everyone has already known for a generation now.
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    Re: Former CIA officer says US policies helped create IS

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Of course he did: the agency sees him as a subversive. All the man ahs done is simply verify what everyone has already known for a generation now.
    Yep. How old is that excuse. Anytime somebody exits a federal agency and reveals government wrong doing, it can be dismissed by clouds and disgruntled, axe sharpening individuals. Because the government never abuses its power.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Former CIA officer says US policies helped create IS

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Yep. How old is that excuse. Anytime somebody exits a federal agency and reveals government wrong doing, it can be dismissed by clouds and disgruntled, axe sharpening individuals. Because the government never abuses its power.
    And thus - we have ISIS.
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    Re: Former CIA officer says US policies helped create IS

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
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    Former CIA officer says US policies helped create IS

    Great interview, with a man that knows a lot about the region. He states that the US does have some responsibility in the creation of ISIS. It also states that Turkey and the US at some point (if not have already) are going to have to accept that Assad is going to stay in power. It also goes over how the Kurds will win some cultural, social, and political autonomy if not full autonomy in the region.
    This guy sounds like a political hack that's never picked a history book.

    Anyone that's even half-ass familiar the history of the ME knows an islamic caliphate was an objective long before the US invaded Iraq.

    The US didn't create ISIS. The twisted cocksuckers that fill their ranks created ISIS. It's disgusting to see people ignore that reality.
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    Re: Former CIA officer says US policies helped create IS

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Of course he did: the agency sees him as a subversive. All the man ahs done is simply verify what everyone has already known for a generation now.
    He advocated for what became an illegal operation. It was carried out outside professional channels (and therefore done badly) because the institution would not go along. Contrary to movie portrayals, that's not viewed favorably.
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    Re: Former CIA officer says US policies helped create IS

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    He advocated for what became an illegal operation. It was carried out outside professional channels (and therefore done badly) because the institution would not go along. Contrary to movie portrayals, that's not viewed favorably.
    And he had a turn around of motives; people do it all the time.
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    Re: Former CIA officer says US policies helped create IS

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    This guy sounds like a political hack that's never picked a history book.

    Anyone that's even half-ass familiar the history of the ME knows an islamic caliphate was an objective long before the US invaded Iraq.

    The US didn't create ISIS. The twisted cocksuckers that fill their ranks created ISIS. It's disgusting to see people ignore that reality.
    Mercenary bastards THEY are, eh?

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