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    Re: Rand Paul: As president I would 'destroy ISIS militarily

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    It destroys the support from non-interventionists, which is what his father championed.

    Instead, it does indeed nudge him towards the neo-con arena, where America is supposed to exert its military might to form the world in its image.

    His appeal, right from his election, has been from the Tea Party crowd -- and these are most definitely definitely nationalistic neo-cons. This recent position will more firmly establish him with them while distancing him from true libertarians. It's a move to the right. Period. Assuming he every really deviated that far from the right in the first place, rather than merely riding on the coattails of his father.
    Well indeed that's no doubt the case, and the "some" in my post was in reference to libertarians. Libertarians disgruntled by other movements of his.
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    Re: Rand Paul: As president I would 'destroy ISIS militarily

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    You don't think they're smart enough to plan this. Some people took down 2 buildings 13 years ago.
    I wouldn't attempt to speak to their intelligence. I'm just pointing out the nice little map drawn out for them by the Examiner. And making another point that was glossed over.
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    Re: Rand Paul: As president I would 'destroy ISIS militarily[W:20]

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Our ME interventionism certainly is at the root of this. But that does not mean we don't seek and kill the terrorists who attack us. Do you think we shouldn't have gone after Al Qaeda after 9/11, too? There has to be a balance.
    Well certainly after the fact. But I'm sick of "after the fact" diplomacy, aren't you. You acknowledged that US policy in the region is at the root of this. It's been going on for decades, there's pages of reading of statements by officials that the US engages in terrorism and supports militant Islamic groups. A decade of support for the Mujahideen in Afghanistan, gave rise to the Taliban we had to fight latter. The MEK was removed from the terrorist list by Bush so that he could train them in Nevada for another mission. As a result many congressmen on both sides of the isle received monies from them. Obama supported the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, he used al Qaeda in Libya to help overthrow Gaddafi, and covertly supported the rebels fighting Assad in Syria. ALL of which has been beneficial to militant Islamists! How about a little focus on prevention, so that we don't have to stay focused on cure? Besides the obvious benefits that it gives to the defense contractors in America, what do we average Americans have to gain, cheap gas? After removing Gaddafi, oil output has dropped from 1.3 million BPD to 300k. And more importantly, look what the citizens of the region have lost due to US intervention/interference.
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    Re: Rand Paul: As president I would 'destroy ISIS militarily[W:20]

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Do explain.
    To my knowledge he hasn't pushed for committing troops anywhere that they weren't already deployed when he took office.
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    Re: Rand Paul: As president I would 'destroy ISIS militarily

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Do you have information that the government entities that replaced these murdering tyrants support ISIS and/or other radical Islamists?

    Seems to me, in the first three cases, the governments that followed have been fighting against radical Islamists with varying degrees of success while in the last case, Assad, he's still very much in power and running the show.

    I don't buy for a minute that the only thing keeping radical Islamists from succeeding is/are murderous megalomaniacs.
    The point CJ is that Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi and Assad GAVE NO QUARTER to these extremists!! Now they have it. So.............whether these "new" governments are unable, unwilling or just incompetent, is besides the point. They have flourished in the power vacuums that we have created. Period. China and Russia both warned that we would get what we've got for doing so, and people like you continue to support a continuance of the same! This is nuts!!
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    Re: Rand Paul: As president I would 'destroy ISIS militarily

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    The point CJ is that Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi and Assad GAVE NO QUARTER to these extremists!! Now they have it. So.............whether these "new" governments are unable, unwilling or just incompetent, is besides the point. They have flourished in the power vacuums that we have created. Period. China and Russia both warned that we would get what we've got for doing so, and people like you continue to support a continuance of the same! This is nuts!!
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    Re: Rand Paul: As president I would 'destroy ISIS militarily

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    What impacts does our complete removal from the middle east do in terms of world markets regarding trade of commodities, especially oil. What blowback does that potentially cause?
    I don't usually believe in drastic sudden moves when it comes to government. A reduction in our military presence should be gradual. We should put the pressure on terrorist groups, but military action is only a short term solution (and can often lead to longterm problems as history teachers us). To 'defeat' terrorism we need a prevention program. Not repeating the mistakes from the past is a start. We should rethink our support of oppressive dictators. We should promote diplomacy and trade even to places like Palestine.

    I think few people here or anywhere actually promote complete withdrawal from ME or Asia when it comes to trade.
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    Re: Rand Paul: As president I would 'destroy ISIS militarily[W:20]

    Quote Originally Posted by DifferentDrummr View Post
    Not to anywhere close to the same extent as Paul.
    Really now, he supported the Muslim Brotherhood and the overthrow of Mubarak. He overthrew the government of Libya, supported the overthrow of the Ukrainian government, is trying his best to overthrow president Assad! Jesus Christ people, they're all ****ing hawks. There's a dimes thickness in difference in the end between the two parties.
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    Re: Rand Paul: As president I would 'destroy ISIS militarily[W:20]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Well certainly after the fact. But I'm sick of "after the fact" diplomacy, aren't you. You acknowledged that US policy in the region is at the root of this. It's been going on for decades, there's pages of reading of statements by officials that the US engages in terrorism and supports militant Islamic groups. A decade of support for the Mujahideen in Afghanistan, gave rise to the Taliban we had to fight latter. The MEK was removed from the terrorist list by Bush so that he could train them in Nevada for another mission. As a result many congressmen on both sides of the isle received monies from them. Obama supported the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, he used al Qaeda in Libya to help overthrow Gaddafi, and covertly supported the rebels fighting Assad in Syria. ALL of which has been beneficial to militant Islamists! How about a little focus on prevention, so that we don't have to stay focused on cure? Besides the obvious benefits that gives to the defense contractors in America, what do we average Americans have to gain, cheap gas? After removing Gaddafi, oil output has dropped from 1.3 million BPD to 300k. And more importantly, look what the citizens of the region have lost due to US intervention/interference.
    I agree. There needs to be a focus on prevention.
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    Re: Rand Paul: As president I would 'destroy ISIS militarily

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    You forget that they gave no quarter to their own people.
    Except that simply isn't true. Unless the 26 million Iraqis living in Iraq at the time the US toppled Saddam escaped you.
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