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    Re: Rand Paul: As president I would 'destroy ISIS militarily[W:20]

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    It shouldn't be too hard for you to show all of us what a liar I am then. Do back up your statement of my lies and misconceptions with no discussion of the actual thread .
    You stated he is/was an isolationist and a pacifist. You either do not know the meanings of those terms or you are intentionally misleading.


    Meanwhile, Paul has spent his entire 6-week vacation trashing Hillary Clinton for being a warhawk.


    How does this bellicose rhetoric not make him the ultimate warhawk,
    Depends on your definition of 'warhawk.' Just about every libertarian I've met has expressed a willingness to strike militarily at those who attack us. Does that make one a 'warhawk?' I don't think so. For me, the warhawks are those who tend to balk at the idea of diplomacy with one's enemies and who's only answers are ground invasions
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    Re: Rand Paul: As president I would 'destroy ISIS militarily[W:20]

    Quote Originally Posted by DifferentDrummr View Post
    I just call him a "fool." And now he deserves to be called a chicken-hawk, to boot.
    Is Obama a chickenhawk, too?
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    Re: Rand Paul: As president I would 'destroy ISIS militarily[W:20]

    Quote Originally Posted by 99percenter View Post
    A legitimate threat would be like WW2 when somebody declares war on you. Not this.
    Terrorism is not a legitimate threat?
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    Re: Rand Paul: As president I would 'destroy ISIS militarily[W:20]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    He has already articulated that US intervention/interference in Syria has emboldened and strengthened IS, he should stick with that message. Prevention is cheaper, and more credible then continual cause and effect diplomacy.
    Our ME interventionism certainly is at the root of this. But that does not mean we don't seek and kill the terrorists who attack us. Do you think we shouldn't have gone after Al Qaeda after 9/11, too? There has to be a balance.
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    Re: Rand Paul: As president I would 'destroy ISIS militarily

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    The Islamists also win when we remove figures like Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi and Assad, none of which gave quarters to them, which gives them opportunity to grow and flourish. But I'll bet you want to keep that out of threads as well.
    Do you have information that the government entities that replaced these murdering tyrants support ISIS and/or other radical Islamists?

    Seems to me, in the first three cases, the governments that followed have been fighting against radical Islamists with varying degrees of success while in the last case, Assad, he's still very much in power and running the show.

    I don't buy for a minute that the only thing keeping radical Islamists from succeeding is/are murderous megalomaniacs.
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    Re: Rand Paul: As president I would 'destroy ISIS militarily[W:20]

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Our ME interventionism certainly is at the root of this. But that does not mean we don't seek and kill the terrorists who attack us. Do you think we shouldn't have gone after Al Qaeda after 9/11, too? There has to be a balance.
    There's also a general question of whether or not one can "put the genie back in the bottle".

    Let's assume the notion is correct; that the overwhelming primary reason that Islamists despise America is our actions within the region.

    If we suddenly stopped supporting Israel in any fashion, would that suddenly or over a decades time significantly impact the Islamist views of the US? Conversely, how does the blowback from Israel and other allies due to our abandonment of a long standing ally end up affecting us now and over the next decade? How do these two things weigh on each other?

    If we simply remove all military from the region and refrain from engaging in any foreign actions in the region at all, be it enforcing blockaids for the UN of Iran or dropping aid on Yazidis in Iraq, is that likely to cause a significant impact on Islamist views of the US now or over a decade? How does the UN or NATO feel if they choose to take action within the middle east and we simply refuse to be any part of it what so ever? What blowback does that cause? How do we handle our allies borderline. For example, should we also cut any and all foreign ties with India because they are directly involved at times with Pakistan? Is Egypt and Turkey part of “the region” or not, so we know whether to cut off all foreign policy interaction with them around.

    What impacts does our complete removal from the middle east do in terms of world markets regarding trade of commodities, especially oil. What blowback does that potentially cause?

    And with all this, even if we cease doing anything remotely involving the middle east and completely and utterly withdraw, is the hatred currently held for America by many Islamists something that will likely go away in the current individuals life times or is this likely a grudge that has long been built and likely to be passed down regardless of our “changed ways”…similar to how a lover scorned may view someone even after they’ve tried to make amends, or how someone whose friend betrayed them is unable to ever trust them again.

    These are serious and important questions when people continue on and on about blowback, because it’s quite easy to lecture with 20/20 hindsight about the past but much harder to actually deal with the present. If at this point the genie is not going back in the bottle then bitching about “blowback” is rather irrelevant when it comes to how to deal with the realities of TODAY. Unless one has good reason to think that complete isolation from the Middle East will substantively change the situation for the better in the immediate or moderate term future then it’s really just an empty exercise of a person trying to make themselves sound like the smart kid in class. Unless a time machine is created sometime soon the reality is the actions of the past 40+ years that supposedly caused this “blowback” have happened…and unless the thought is simply stopping is going to make it all better we have to deal with that reality.

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    Re: Rand Paul: As president I would 'destroy ISIS militarily[W:20]

    It seems to me that our containing Russia from interfering with strategic regions for oil/gas is kind of hypocritical, since that was our primary interest, regardless of this "removal of brutal dictators" or "protect US against WMD" theories. ISIS was a natural progression of sectarian differences that had been held in check by the strong arms of tough leaders. The Arab Spring has been a disaster, purported by our politicians originally as wins for democracy. Every place a long term leader/dictator has been replaced has collapsed into chaos Libya, Egypt, Iraq and almost Syria.
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    Re: Rand Paul: As president I would 'destroy ISIS militarily[W:20]

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    It's funny, but you were the first person I thought of IMMEDIETELY when I read the first posts in this thread. I just wanted to slap my head and was anxious to read your thoughts on it.
    That's probably reflective of an obsession I may or may not have.

    I was going to say, you (the Senator) know you're not going to be a favorite of the "Neo-Reaganite" school of Neoconservatives when your promoted reading list contains ample selections from those like Andrew Bacevich or Michael Scheuer.
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    Re: Rand Paul: As president I would 'destroy ISIS militarily[W:20]

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Is Obama a chickenhawk, too?
    Not to anywhere close to the same extent as Paul.
    I fight against the ignorant, irresponsible, and/or closed-minded.
    This group is the worst enemy of America and its freedoms. It includes, but is not limited to, all Trump supporters.

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    Re: Rand Paul: As president I would 'destroy ISIS militarily[W:20]

    Quote Originally Posted by DifferentDrummr View Post
    Not to anywhere close to the same extent as Paul.
    Do explain.
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