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    Re: Rand Paul: As president I would 'destroy ISIS militarily

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    You know, for once in my life I would like to experience a thread involving Islamists where people can actually focus on what they believe in, what they represent, how they are a danger to western culture, and do so without a bunch of inane finger pointing, stupid framing according to whether a lefty should say this and a righty should say that, which president is somehow responsible and just agree that they are bad news.

    The Islamists win when we are so divided by our idiotic partisan crap that we would rather fight against each other than fight against them. They truly represent that boot that would stamp on a human face forever that Orwell warned about and it is high time people started taking the threat seriously and stop all this divisive crap that fails to address the threat.

    It's not aboutt Republicans and democrats. It's not about lefties and righties. It's not about neocons and isolationists and paleo this or rino/dino that. It's about people who hate our very culture and wish to destroy it. Can't we just focus on that for a change?
    The Islamists also win when we remove figures like Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi and Assad, none of which gave quarters to them, which gives them opportunity to grow and flourish. But I'll bet you want to keep that out of threads as well.
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    Re: Rand Paul: As president I would 'destroy ISIS militarily

    Quote Originally Posted by DifferentDrummr View Post
    As far as I'm concerned, people in other countries are welcome to hate American culture to their hearts' content.

    The only action I expect from America is to prevent them from doing any damage in U.S. territory. Most other Americans who say they want more are simply using IS to hide some other agenda.
    Except!! They DON'T hate us for our culture as a pretence for attacking us, that was a Bush lie. They do however hate us for our presence and interference. And from OBL's open letter to this latest beheading that was accompanied by a recorded message for the killing, these people have articulated in clear and concise terms, exactly what it is they are disgruntled about. But Americans don't want to hear that. Listen, and read every message that has been sent to America, there is no focus on American culture.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Rand Paul: As president I would 'destroy ISIS militarily

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    The right wing echo chamber strikes again . . . strike fear into the hearts of the locals
    New ISIS threat: America's electric grid; blackout could kill 9 of 10 | WashingtonExaminer.com!
    Thank you for proving my point

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    Re: Rand Paul: As president I would 'destroy ISIS militarily

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I totally agree with you that this issue does not define Paul as a neo-con. It does however further weaken SOME of his traditional support, who are already weary with his evolving position. But, perhaps he believes he'll make it up, and then some, elsewhere.
    It destroys the support from non-interventionists, which is what his father championed.

    Instead, it does indeed nudge him towards the neo-con arena, where America is supposed to exert its military might to form the world in its image.

    His appeal, right from his election, has been from the Tea Party crowd -- and these are most definitely definitely nationalistic neo-cons. This recent position will more firmly establish him with them while distancing him from true libertarians. It's a move to the right. Period. Assuming he every really deviated that far from the right in the first place, rather than merely riding on the coattails of his father.

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    Re: Rand Paul: As president I would 'destroy ISIS militarily

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I suppose if they weren't thinking of it, they are now. And they even have its vulnerabilities mapped out for them. Lets see what else we can do to invite an attack that will round up the gullible in support of round three in the ME. Let the fear mongering begin, and the people will be rattling like aspen leaves in a summer wind.
    You don't think they're smart enough to plan this. Some people took down 2 buildings 13 years ago.
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    Re: Rand Paul: As president I would 'destroy ISIS militarily[W:20]

    Quote Originally Posted by 99percenter View Post
    "If I were president, I would call a joint session of Congress. I would lay out the reasoning of why ISIS is a threat to our national security and seek congressional authorization to destroy ISIS militarily. [AP]"

    Rand paul the Neocon. That didn't take long. Well at least he didn't give a bribe like his dad.

    Rand Paul: As president I would 'destroy ISIS militarily' - The Week
    So much for non-interventionalism. Anyone like Rand Paul who takes that doctrine seriously such that, yes, there are times during which it is appropriate for the US to become engaged in foreign doings, specifically in defense of the country, is going to be hung out to dry by more libertarian than thou types for whom nothing but absolute de facto isolationism will do.

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    Re: Rand Paul: As president I would 'destroy ISIS militarily[W:20]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I suppose if it were to be given an honest and diligent go, perhaps so. Al Qaeda lives, to be used again, ISIS too will live to be used again. Oh to be sure, we're going hot and heavy back into the ME to hit IS, and hit them hard, and drive them back into their holes. But the holes will be intentionally left intact. Yes we'll hear how they are in their last throughs, on the run, reduced to a skeleton, whatever. This replay works nicely for defense contractors, creating crisis', and then taking out our big, hungry stick and beating up on it for a while. But a perhaps unintended consequence (well, there's no doubt more, but I'm just pointing out one) is that
    both Russia and China
    have been pushing back on us. At the UN level, more recently economically, with a deal to trade oil and gas with each other, outside of the petro-dollar. And militarily, as noted by an increase of "incidents" with the US of late, and joint military exercises, which always are as political as they are soldier training.


    Both Russia and China have problems with Muslim populations and I just read that ISIS is talking about making problems for Russia because it has helped Assad in Syria.

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    Re: Rand Paul: As president I would 'destroy ISIS militarily

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Well, of course you're right. But this has to be sold to the gullible at home as a direct threat (millions dead due to attack on the PG) to them, in order to have the necessary support and appearance of legitimacy.
    For the time being this is ISIS:

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    Re: Rand Paul: As president I would 'destroy ISIS militarily

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    You're all over the map with your bitching about Rand Paul aren't you? So we can assume you won't be voting for him, and maybe hunting down the nearest Democrat that's available; hoping we'll sit around twiddling our thumbs while ISIS brings their cells in through Mexico. With Obama in charge they'll probably even qualify for food stamps and welfare checks.

    Just a typically partisan hack comment that adds absolutely nothing to the debate, other than another meaningless shot at the President and Democrats. Fail.
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    Re: Rand Paul: As president I would 'destroy ISIS militarily

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Except!! They DON'T hate us for our culture as a pretence for attacking us, that was a Bush lie. They do however hate us for our presence and interference. And from OBL's open letter to this latest beheading that was accompanied by a recorded message for the killing, these people have articulated in clear and concise terms, exactly what it is they are disgruntled about. But Americans don't want to hear that. Listen, and read every message that has been sent to America, there is no focus on American culture.
    I'm not even that concerned about what's upsetting them. In general, the less involved America is in the ME and other parts of the world, the better.
    I fight against the ignorant, irresponsible, and/or closed-minded.
    This group is the worst enemy of America and its freedoms. It includes, but is not limited to, all Trump supporters.

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