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    Re: Rand Paul: As president I would 'destroy ISIS militarily

    You know, for once in my life I would like to experience a thread involving Islamists where people can actually focus on what they believe in, what they represent, how they are a danger to western culture, and do so without a bunch of inane finger pointing, stupid framing according to whether a lefty should say this and a righty should say that, which president is somehow responsible and just agree that they are bad news.

    The Islamists win when we are so divided by our idiotic partisan crap that we would rather fight against each other than fight against them. They truly represent that boot that would stamp on a human face forever that Orwell warned about and it is high time people started taking the threat seriously and stop all this divisive crap that fails to address the threat.

    It's not aboutt Republicans and democrats. It's not about lefties and righties. It's not about neocons and isolationists and paleo this or rino/dino that. It's about people who hate our very culture and wish to destroy it. Can't we just focus on that for a change?
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    Re: Rand Paul: As president I would 'destroy ISIS militarily

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Not to mention this is a rather ignorant interpritation of what a "Neo-con" is.
    "Neo-con" = bogeyman to the extremely dogmatic portion of the hard left just like "liberal" = "bogeyman" to the same portion of the right.

    I see little deifference in the amount of intelligence applied.
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    Re: Rand Paul: As president I would 'destroy ISIS militarily[W:20]

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    It's well known on this site that I am extremely anti globe trotting. However, Rand Paul is correct on this one. Do some research on these guy, look up their origins. They aren't a group of upstarts like Al Qaeda. Their roots go back to the 1800's. They have deep ties to the Saudis, however, they are seen as following a more stringent version of Wahhabism. These guys aren't your typical joke like these other dirt bag groups that pop up in the ME. Not trying to talk down to you. It just sounds like you aren't fully read in on who these guys are.
    I won't be disagreeing with you on the very real trouble that "these guys" pose. It frustrates me though that Rand Paul was accusing the Obama administration of essentially supporting ISIS in Syria not long ago, and is now suddenly on board with extending US military action in the ME. But more frustrating then that, is the fact that the powers in the ME kept these guys at bay, and they were denied opportunity to grow, flourish, unite, recruit, expand and arm themselves, UNTIL that is, the US removed these powers and enabled them to do so. Russia and China accurately warned of this, and has pushed back against the US in various ways, China has criticised US intrigue in Ukraine, and Russia and China, fed up with US "globe trotting" are forging alliances that look clear that they will be pushing back economically and there are clues that they are even prepared to push back militarily.
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    Re: Rand Paul: As president I would 'destroy ISIS militarily[W:20]

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    ISIS will be destroyed, but Rand Paul will never see the inside of the White House, except as a visitor.

    Don't take my word for this, wait and see.
    I think the "ISIS will be destroyed" part too, is a wait and see. The Rand Paul only visiting the White house is accurate.
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    Re: Rand Paul: As president I would 'destroy ISIS militarily[W:20]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I think the "ISIS will be destroyed" part too, is a wait and see.
    The Rand Paul only visiting the White house is accurate.


    You're absolutely right, it will take time even if the USA and its allies commit a lot of forces.

    First we have to find them, then we have to terminate them with extreme prejudice.

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    Re: Rand Paul: As president I would 'destroy ISIS militarily

    I suppose if they weren't thinking of it, they are now. And they even have its vulnerabilities mapped out for them. Lets see what else we can do to invite an attack that will round up the gullible in support of round three in the ME. Let the fear mongering begin, and the people will be rattling like aspen leaves in a summer wind.
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    Re: Rand Paul: As president I would 'destroy ISIS militarily

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    You know, for once in my life I would like to experience a thread involving Islamists where people can actually focus on what they believe in, what they represent, how they are a danger to western culture, and do so without a bunch of inane finger pointing, stupid framing according to whether a lefty should say this and a righty should say that, which president is somehow responsible and just agree that they are bad news.

    The Islamists win when we are so divided by our idiotic partisan crap that we would rather fight against each other than fight against them. They truly represent that boot that would stamp on a human face forever that Orwell warned about and it is high time people started taking the threat seriously and stop all this divisive crap that fails to address the threat.

    It's not aboutt Republicans and democrats. It's not about lefties and righties. It's not about neocons and isolationists and paleo this or rino/dino that. It's about people who hate our very culture and wish to destroy it. Can't we just focus on that for a change?
    As far as I'm concerned, people in other countries are welcome to hate American culture to their hearts' content.

    The only action I expect from America is to prevent them from doing any damage in U.S. territory. Most other Americans who say they want more are simply using IS to hide some other agenda.
    I fight against the ignorant, irresponsible, and/or closed-minded.
    This group is the worst enemy of America and its freedoms. It includes, but is not limited to, all Trump supporters.

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    Re: Rand Paul: As president I would 'destroy ISIS militarily[W:20]

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    You're absolutely right, it will take time even if the USA and its allies commit a lot of forces.

    First we have to find them, then we have to terminate them with extreme prejudice.
    I suppose if it were to be given an honest and diligent go, perhaps so. Al Qaeda lives, to be used again, ISIS too will live to be used again. Oh to be sure, we're going hot and heavy back into the ME to hit IS, and hit them hard, and drive them back into their holes. But the holes will be intentionally left intact. Yes we'll hear how they are in their last throughs, on the run, reduced to a skeleton, whatever. This replay works nicely for defense contractors, creating crisis', and then taking out our big, hungry stick and beating up on it for a while. But a perhaps unintended consequence (well, there's no doubt more, but I'm just pointing out one) is that both Russia and China have been pushing back on us. At the UN level, more recently economically, with a deal to trade oil and gas with each other, outside of the petro-dollar. And militarily, as noted by an increase of "incidents" with the US of late, and joint military exercises, which always are as political as they are soldier training.
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    Re: Rand Paul: As president I would 'destroy ISIS militarily

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    Well I do not agree that ISIS is a threat to USA at this point. It has great neighbors to worry about far before it could reach Europe, much less USA. This Decepticonic "destroy all ISIS" speech seems to invite a macho attitude associated more with men rather than women like Clinton (proposed for president in 2016). This I think just works against her.
    Well, of course you're right. But this has to be sold to the gullible at home as a direct threat (millions dead due to attack on the PG) to them, in order to have the necessary support and appearance of legitimacy.
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    Re: Rand Paul: As president I would 'destroy ISIS militarily

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Not to mention this is a rather ignorant interpritation of what a "Neo-con" is. One can not define a "Neocon" simply on their desire to combat ISIS. The reasons for such a combat, their intentions for after the battle, their goals in such a conflict, etc are all necessary factors to know in order to truly and realistically attempt to label someone as such based singularly on their treatment of ISIS and even then that's a bit questionable.
    I totally agree with you that this issue does not define Paul as a neo-con. It does however further weaken SOME of his traditional support, who are already weary with his evolving position. But, perhaps he believes he'll make it up, and then some, elsewhere.
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