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    Re: Rand Paul: As president I would 'destroy ISIS militarily[W:20]

    ISIS will be destroyed, but Rand Paul will never see the inside of the White House, except as a visitor.

    Don't take my word for this, wait and see.

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    Re: Rand Paul: As president I would 'destroy ISIS militarily

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    To which...



    ...nothing.

    Not belittling Canada, not really. I'm just wondering why you're so quick to call for U.S. military intervention using combat forces to deal with a terrorist threat you firmly believe needs to be dealt with, yet your country has never sent a single soldier to Iraq and likely won't do so now to deal with ISIS. But you expect an American President to do so and have the balls to condemn him when he doesn't.



    DITTO!

    I see the issue rather clearly, however. Unless it's a NATO-led initiative, Canada seems very content with remaining in a support role while it's southern neighbor leads from the front.

    Blame Canada, indeed...for being passive. But digress...

    There are reasons why Pres. Obama bent to the pressure to send U.S. combat troops back into Iraq. This article from HuffingtonPost.com outlines some of them.
    Just to be clear, I simply indicated in my first comment on this thread that Paul's position is reasonable yet likely politically motivated since foreign policy is likely to be a deciding factor in the upcoming Presidential primaries and general election. I did not call for "US military intervention using combat forces" - neither did Paul. He said the military should be used to destroy ISIS - that does not necessarily require combat forces nor are combat forces necessarily required. It is you and others who are extending Paul's position further than he did.

    As for Canada's role, I really find it remarkable that many in the US who bemoan the US getting involved where they feel the US has no business now want Canada to assume that role. Canada has traditionally been in a support or peacekeeping role because we've never started or precipitated wars but we've always been there to help our friends and allies. ISIS isn't threatening Canada, that I know of. ISIS isn't beheading Canadian journalists, that I know of. But Canada and Canadians are appalled by such actions and prepared to assist our friends both in the region and to the south in facing that challenge.
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    Re: Rand Paul: As president I would 'destroy ISIS militarily

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Im not a fan of Rand and I dont agree with his views but he is actually doing it the proper way- he is seeking Congressional authorization before launching an attack- unlike Dubya or Obama, he is actually following the Constitution.
    The precedent has been set in which Congress has allowed the President to use limited force, then confer with Congress for further actions.

    Rand Paul is a "perfect world" theorician.


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    Re: Rand Paul: As president I would 'destroy ISIS militarily[W:20]

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Funny movie. But I don't see your point. If we are to define every politician who wants to take out the terrorists as a 'neocon' then the term has lost all meaning.
    That's what happened after a while. Any measure of hawkishness, irrespective of context, became defined as "neocon." Under that logic, Barry Goldwater, for his fiery rhetoric would have been the champion of neoconservatism.

    What Rand Paul is is a fusionist; probably a fusionist more outwardly influenced by libertarianism than those a fusionist targets. While he has changed his views for political calculation, like most politicians ambitious enough for greater things, he has also been subtly attempting to build a big-tent coalition. Fusionism conceded that conservative success hinged on bringing various conservative factions together toward a negotiated platform. In the mid to later parts of the 20th century, this represented calling up social and religious conservatives to battle the counterculture of the 1960s and 1970s, it also meant stressing libertarian critiques of the welfare state, embracing various degrees of corporatism, and taking a selectively hawkish foreign policy (mostly in regard to the Soviet Union and its proxy interventions) that will still be able to allow people to see it as realism. For the 21st century this will necessarily take on a different meaning, but the concept is still intact. This...perhaps neo-fusionism is something to be reckoned with.

    Neoconservatives (of the foreign policy variety) are wary of Rand Paul, because often he has openly clashed with them. When Rand offers them goodies, they are skeptical. At best they figure they can evolve him. He won't be one of them, there is no love loss from them, but perhaps he can become more tolerable.
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    Re: Rand Paul: As president I would 'destroy ISIS militarily

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    The right wing echo chamber strikes again . . . strike fear into the hearts of the locals
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    Re: Rand Paul: As president I would 'destroy ISIS militarily

    Well I do not agree that ISIS is a threat to USA at this point. It has great neighbors to worry about far before it could reach Europe, much less USA. This Decepticonic "destroy all ISIS" speech seems to invite a macho attitude associated more with men rather than women like Clinton (proposed for president in 2016). This I think just works against her.
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    Re: Rand Paul: As president I would 'destroy ISIS militarily

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    If you don't want to deal with comments from non-Americans, don't post threads on topics that affect people other than Americans and/or join a site that doesn't allow non-American members.

    Otherwise, I'll comment whenever I like on whatever I like and you can suck your thumb and whine all you want.
    You have every right to post in any forum you want, and I hope you continue to do so.

    Having been told repeatedly by various effete Europeans that Americans (who are clumsy oafs politically because they are American) have no business commenting on European affairs, I tend to bristle whenever somebody tries to pull the same stunt with somebody else.
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    Re: Rand Paul: As president I would 'destroy ISIS militarily

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    You have every right to post in any forum you want, and I hope you continue to do so.

    Having been told repeatedly by various effete Europeans that Americans (who are clumsy oafs politically because they are American) have no business commenting on European affairs, I tend to bristle whenever somebody tries to pull the same stunt with somebody else.
    Thank you sir - I'm not one to be easily cowed into compliance, particularly by those who have zero power over what I do or don't do.

    Personally, I would think that many Americans might appreciate hearing views from those who are on the outside looking in - I know Canada doesn't get the same type of attention, but I always enjoy hearing what outsiders have to say about us and countering it, if it's wrong. I'd think if my views on some American issues are ill founded, people would be able to argue against the substance of those views rather than the nationality of the poster opining.
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    Re: Rand Paul: As president I would 'destroy ISIS militarily

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Im not a fan of Rand and I dont agree with his views but he is actually doing it the proper way- he is seeking Congressional authorization before launching an attack- unlike Dubya or Obama, he is actually following the Constitution.
    Not to mention this is a rather ignorant interpritation of what a "Neo-con" is. One can not define a "Neocon" simply on their desire to combat ISIS. The reasons for such a combat, their intentions for after the battle, their goals in such a conflict, etc are all necessary factors to know in order to truly and realistically attempt to label someone as such based singularly on their treatment of ISIS and even then that's a bit questionable.

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    Re: Rand Paul: As president I would 'destroy ISIS militarily[W:20]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    That's what happened after a while. Any measure of hawkishness, irrespective of context, became defined as "neocon." Under that logic, Barry Goldwater, for his fiery rhetoric would have been the champion of neoconservatism.
    It's funny, but you were the first person I thought of IMMEDIETELY when I read the first posts in this thread. I just wanted to slap my head and was anxious to read your thoughts on it.

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