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    Re: Arming Ukraine could lead to nuclear war: Lech Walesa

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Exactly.

    The crux of the biscuit is that we can't make everyone happy. That just isn't going to happen. To that end we need to stand solidly along side those with whom we have a common interest.
    That's foreign policy 101. A course some in the current administration either missed or failed.
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    Re: Arming Ukraine could lead to nuclear war: Lech Walesa

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Very true. Those that were hesitant to look at a NATO membership are probably rethinking their position in the light of the aggressive Russian actions.

    I thnk it will have a negative impact upon NATO membership. The USA actions have been the detriment and keep in mind that all of Europe knows of US State Dept's Nuland's "f*ck the EU" remark. The sanctions have cost the EU GDP several percentage points already, more to come. For What? So the USA can squeeze off the gas to the EU the next time they want to pressure them. A nice new cold war will be very profitable for the USA Military Industrial Complex, like the phony "War of Terror."

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    Re: Arming Ukraine could lead to nuclear war: Lech Walesa

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    It appears Putin may have inspired a renewed interest in NATO. Especially for those small countries along Russia's borders.
    I would say that the interest has always been in NATO. It just that it has some pretty steep membership pre-requirements.
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    Re: Arming Ukraine could lead to nuclear war: Lech Walesa

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Exactly.

    The crux of the biscuit is that we can't make everyone happy. That just isn't going to happen. To that end we need to stand solidly along side those with whom we have a common interest.
    That is a reciprocal attitude.
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    Re: Arming Ukraine could lead to nuclear war: Lech Walesa

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Very true. Those that were hesitant to look at a NATO membership are probably rethinking their position in the light of the aggressive Russian actions.
    Whom do you allude to? I heard Suomiland became a member of NATO? I think they were here somewhere too?
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    Re: Arming Ukraine could lead to nuclear war: Lech Walesa

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    I think whether he uses them or not has a lot to do with our responses. But we will have to make a decision on how far we're willing to put up resistance.

    I doubt he wants all out nuke war either. It wouldn't happen suddenly,
    it would be in reaction to a series of blundering military actions by aggressive field commanders.


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    Re: Arming Ukraine could lead to nuclear war: Lech Walesa

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    Whom do you allude to? I heard Suomiland became a member of NATO? I think they were here somewhere too?
    Bosnia and Herzegovina, Georgia, the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia and Montenegro, Albania and Croatia, the Republic of Moldova and of course, the Ukraine. Many of those already have a Membership Action Plan in place, but have hesitated. I feel they may no longer hesitate.

    Finland is not a member of NATO, however they do cooperate with NATO and have participated in a number of NATO operations.
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    Re: Arming Ukraine could lead to nuclear war: Lech Walesa

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Bosnia and Herzegovina, Georgia, the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia and Montenegro, Albania and Croatia, the Republic of Moldova and of course, the Ukraine. Many of those already have a Membership Action Plan in place, but have hesitated. I feel they may no longer hesitate.

    Finland is not a member of NATO, however they do cooperate with NATO and have participated in a number of NATO operations.
    You are wrong.

    Albania and Croatia are already NATO members (NATO, 2014). Further some countries in your list do not really hesitate, but may benefit more easily in being members by rejoining back to the countries that they were separated from thanks to Russia to begin with. These may be Moldavia (rejoined to Romania a NATO member), and surely is Dardania (rejoined to Albania a NATO member). Thus to shorten your list you have: Bosnia, Georgia, FYROM, and Ukraine.

    Further analysis:

    Bosnia is divided in three sub-regions controlled from Croatians, Serbs, and Bosnians. The degree that Croatians in Bosnia may be pro-NATO may be countered by the degree Serbs in Bosnia are pro-Russian. This leaves Bosnia undecided because it takes every member to agree on joining NATO. Similarly FYROM may be pro-Russian also.

    I do not think NATO wants Georgia just like it may not want Ukriane at the moment. These are contested troubling territories. The major contributor to contests and troubles is of course Russia.

    When you look at it this way it is because Russian influence on its satellite Serbia that the above mentioned countries are left undecided to begin with.

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    NATO (2014) NATO member countries. Retrieved from: http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/nato_countries.htm
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