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"I'm Not Your Brother," Officer tazes Man in Front of His Children.

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Minnesota Taser video: Christopher Lollie of St. Paul Tased in front of children.

The man, Christopher Lollie, was reported to police because he was allegedlysitting in a restricted area of a building that also includes a public space. Lollie is shown walking away from the area in question while telling a police officer that he hadn't seen a sign marking it as nonpublic; he says he is heading to pick up his children from school and refuses to give the officer identification. A second officer approaches and quickly escalates the situation.


Ummm... I dont get how people could just stand around and let a cop do that. People are ****in cowards. These 2 cops just 2v1'd a man for no reason. That means you can help the man and fight the cops until they hit the ground, pacify them. Who gives a **** if th ey have a badge if they break the law they get dealt with just like any other criminal. If a random guy and a girl assualt you in the street you would be allowed to beat the crap out of them until you are safe. Give those same 2 people a badge and now they have a pass to be ignoble?

Assuming of course he did nothing wrong.
 
St. Paul police Chief Tom Smith says officers became violent with Lollie because they "believed he might either run or fight with them



so they became violent...because he may run away?.. or because he may fight them......

putting the cart before the horse there.
 
it could have been all avoided had the guy just provided his ID when asked. It seems like a reasonable request when someone is in a private area. The cops would have probably run it through and let him on his way, assuming he didn't have a warrant or something.

he says he is heading to pick up his children from school and refuses to give the officer identification.
 
Minnesota Taser video: Christopher Lollie of St. Paul Tased in front of children.




Ummm... I dont get how people could just stand around and let a cop do that. People are ****in cowards. These 2 cops just 2v1'd a man for no reason. That means you can help the man and fight the cops until they hit the ground, pacify them. Who gives a **** if th ey have a badge if they break the law they get dealt with just like any other criminal. If a random guy and a girl assualt you in the street you would be allowed to beat the crap out of them until you are safe. Give those same 2 people a badge and now they have a pass to be ignoble?

Assuming of course he did nothing wrong.

There was a thread related to this yesterday. Lollie was being an ass. I haven't seen any report of why the cops initially contacted him but the female cop asks him "what happened back there" so, obviously, there was something going on before the video starts. He also refuses to allow the female officer (who is being VERY patient and polite) to explain the situation.

The only quarter I'll cut this jackass is that the second cop came in with an attitude and made a bad situation worse.
 
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How not to get tased:

1: don't act like a douche to cops
2: If asked for ID, show it
 
it could have been all avoided had the guy just provided his ID when asked. It seems like a reasonable request when someone is in a private area. The cops would have probably run it through and let him on his way, assuming he didn't have a warrant or something.

He didn't have to do anything. He was perfectly in his rights to refuse to show them his ID. Cops are just stupid ****s that get mad when their authority is challenged.
 
How not to get tased:

1: don't act like a douche to cops
2: If asked for ID, show it

Or the cops could just leave people alone. :shrug:
 
There was a thread related to this yesterday. Lollie was being an ass. I haven't seen any report of why the cops initially contacted him but the female cop asks him "what happened back there" so, obviously, there was something going on before the video starts. He also refuses to allow the female officer (who is being VERY patient and polite) to explain the situation.

The only quarter I'll cut this jackass is that the second cop came in with an attitude and made a bad situation worse.

Who cares? He has the right to be rude. Cops don't just gain the right to assault people because someone is being mean to them.
 
Who cares? He has the right to be rude. Cops don't just gain the right to assault people because someone is being mean to them.

If he refuses to cooperate with the investigation they can take him in. It's called "obstruction" and every state I know of has a statute covering it.
 
Everyone involved acted inappropriately. There was no reason for the first officer to saunter up and demand ID of a citizen who was not breaking any laws, who was merely sitting in a public place waiting to pick up his kids.

That said, there was no reason for him to refuse to provide ID when asked, unless he'd just walked over to get his kids and didn't bother to grab his wallet. There's no law against being in public without ID, by the way.

The second officer was waaaay out of line. Tazing a guy who neither raised a voice or a hand or gave the slightest indication of running, who'd already explained where he was going and why, was nothing more than "I am THE MAN and you, serf, will kneel before me when ordered to do so."

Bottom line, I'm on the citizen's side in this one.
 
Everyone involved acted inappropriately. There was no reason for the first officer to saunter up and demand ID of a citizen who was not breaking any laws, who was merely sitting in a public place waiting to pick up his kids.

That said, there was no reason for him to refuse to provide ID when asked, unless he'd just walked over to get his kids and didn't bother to grab his wallet. There's no law against being in public without ID, by the way.

The second officer was waaaay out of line. Tazing a guy who neither raised a voice or a hand or gave the slightest indication of running, who'd already explained where he was going and why, was nothing more than "I am THE MAN and you, serf, will kneel before me when ordered to do so."

Bottom line, I'm on the citizen's side in this one.

Just to note, he was not in a public area, he was in a restricted area of a public building.
 
Everyone involved acted inappropriately. There was no reason for the first officer to saunter up and demand ID of a citizen who was not breaking any laws, who was merely sitting in a public place waiting to pick up his kids.

That said, there was no reason for him to refuse to provide ID when asked, unless he'd just walked over to get his kids and didn't bother to grab his wallet. There's no law against being in public without ID, by the way.

The second officer was waaaay out of line. Tazing a guy who neither raised a voice or a hand or gave the slightest indication of running, who'd already explained where he was going and why, was nothing more than "I am THE MAN and you, serf, will kneel before me when ordered to do so."

Bottom line, I'm on the citizen's side in this one.

Part of the problem is that we don't know why he was contacted by the cops. I find it hard to believe that a cop just came up and asked him for ID...especially since she asked "what happened back there". We're only getting part of the story here.

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Here's more information -
Our officers were called by private security guards on a man who was trespassing in a private area. The guards reported that the man had on repeated occasions refused to leave a private "employees only" area in the First National Bank Building.

With no information on who the man was, what he might be doing or why he refused to leave the area, responding Saint Paul police officers tried to talk to him, asking him who he was. He refused to tell them or cooperate.
http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/story/26398307/st-paul-police-statement-on-lollie-arrest

The guy was somewhere he wasn't supposed to be and refused to leave or cooperate with authorities. That's textbook trespassing.

If you don't want to get thumped by the cops don't be a jerk.
 
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Just to note, he was not in a public area, he was in a restricted area of a public building.

And that is a big difference- the man did not have some kind of inherent right to be there, though the officer probably could have handled and applied that fact better.
 
If he refuses to cooperate with the investigation they can take him in. It's called "obstruction" and every state I know of has a statute covering it.

They can detain you, but considering he was going to be sitting there for a while they could have easily found out who he was without doing anything towards him.
 
They can detain you, but considering he was going to be sitting there for a while they could have easily found out who he was without doing anything towards him.

They could have found out who he was and what he was doing if he'd simply told them but instead he chose to go off on a "because I'm black" rant. He made his own bed in this one and the more I read about it the less sympathy I have for him.
 
They could have found out who he was and what he was doing if he'd simply told them but instead he chose to go off on a "because I'm black" rant. He made his own bed in this one and the more I read about it the less sympathy I have for him.

Sure, but he didn't feel like helping them. All he wanted to do was wait for child and be left alone. That is it.
 
He didn't have to do anything. He was perfectly in his rights to refuse to show them his ID. Cops are just stupid ****s that get mad when their authority is challenged.

I see a tasing in your future.
 
Sure, but he didn't feel like helping them. All he wanted to do was wait for child and be left alone. That is it.

I'd suggest that if what you suggest was his goal then he failed.....miserably.
 
Just to note, he was not in a public area, he was in a restricted area of a public building.

Are you sure? I assumed he was sitting in a resturants part of the mall or a store with a seat inside and someone wanted him to leave for loitering. Possibly some jerk store owner who was mad he wasnt buying anything yet occupying space. With how civil he was to the cops he was probably civil to whoever shoo'd him out of their "personal" area with no "non-public" signs.
 
Part of the problem is that we don't know why he was contacted by the cops. I find it hard to believe that a cop just came up and asked him for ID...especially since she asked "what happened back there". We're only getting part of the story here.

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Here's more information -

St. Paul police statement on Lollie arrest - KMSP-TV

The guy was somewhere he wasn't supposed to be and refused to leave or cooperate with authorities. That's textbook trespassing.

If you don't want to get thumped by the cops don't be a jerk.
Did they have an employee's sign only where he was in clear view?
 
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