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    Re: "I'm Not Your Brother," Officer tazes Man in Front of His Children.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    America is not a free sociaty. We are free'er than others relativly, but we are not free objectivly. No one is.
    I am very free. Except maybe to the spirit of the instinctual lioness. I willingly accede to her, within reason.
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    Re: "I'm Not Your Brother," Officer tazes Man in Front of His Children.

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    Either I totally misread your posting or you misread mine. I'll take the blame. Please restate what you meant.
    Mr.Lollie didn't seem to understand that, sign or no sign, you have to leave when asked. Even if you "didn't do anything wrong", you still have to leave when asked.

    That's a fact most or all gun owners are keenly aware of. Since the media didn't exploit Mr.Lollie as a law braker (the media only popularizes negative gun-owner stories) I therefore assume he wasn't armed.

    When you then say I don't speak for all gun owners, that sounds to me like you're including Lollie in 'all gun owners', and so I asked where you read that Lollie had a gun.

    I assume Lollie did not have a gun, therefore never took a permit class on law, therefore didn't realize you have to leave when asked regardless.
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    Re: "I'm Not Your Brother," Officer tazes Man in Front of His Children.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    Capster...I know you don't know me from Adam. Until you do, don't speak on what I know or don't know. I interact with police on a damn near daily basis. I see the difference in them when they "switch it on". When their demeanor and attitude with me is no longer the friendly, joke filled, playful back and forth and when they have to perform their duties as a LEO. But guess what? There are some who are cool and professional and there are some that are strokes. Just like everyone else. There are some who know t's their job, what their job is and handle their business in a manner which best resolves whichever conflict they encounter they understand because they are mature, they don't need their badge for balls, they know that the hammer isn't the only tool in the toolbox. Then you've got the Billy Badasses whose balls are in their badge and don't know how to use any other tool but the hammer.

    I mean Jesus H. when the hell did acting like a prick, demanding everyone bend to your will because you got a badge make you a professional and when the hell did the citizens of these United States become so god damn subservient...

    Esto Vir! Be a man! Too much authority has been given to the LE community and too much leeway for their behavior.
    Damn dude that post really struck a cord in me. Hammering should only be done when it is 100% the obvious task for efficiency. Not because you want to rush.
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    Re: "I'm Not Your Brother," Officer tazes Man in Front of His Children.

    The guy seems like he has a chip on his shoulder. He could--and should--just have calmly complied with the initial request to show his ID. Brief investigatory detentions by police are sometimes called "stop-and-frisks" or "Terry stops," after the Supreme Court decision that authorized them.

    Police do not violate a person's Fourth Amendment right to be free from unreasonable seizures by making an investigatory detention, provided it is brief and they have reasonable suspicion of a completed crime, or that criminal activity is occurring or may be about to occur. Reasonable suspicion has to be based on articulable facts--i.e. it must be more than just a hunch. There is no fixed standard for reasonable suspicion--it is based on the totality of the circumstances.

    The notion that police cannot briefly stop a person and ask what he's doing, ask for ID, and so on, is nonsense. They certainly can do that. And the detainee's demeanor is part of the totality of the circumstances. If the person becomes uncooperative, loud, etc. during the investigatory detention--particularly if he refuses to identify himself and briefly explain what he's doing there--it may cause the initial reasonable suspicion that gave rise to the detention to increase to the probable cause needed for an arrest.

    I don't know if these police met the required standards in dealing with this guy. But acting the way he did is really dumb, because police can easily take your agitation and challenging tone as a sign you've got something to hide. And for all we know, being where this guy was at that time of day, alone, could be behavior they have learned is typical of certain kinds of criminals. Best just to be friendly, cooperative, show your ID, and explain what you're doing. And if for some reason you are arrested anyway, go calmly to the station, and then, once you're there, if you think an officer was out of line, get the badge number and file a complaint.
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    Re: "I'm Not Your Brother," Officer tazes Man in Front of His Children.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Its about paying for the road, paying for any damage you cause to someone else, making sure you actualy know how to drive in the first place, and oh yeah you don't own the road.
    They never tested me if I could drive in the first place. All they did was make me take a test on the rules of the road when I first starting driving. If I don't hit anyone else then I did not cause anyone else damage. I'm also pretty sure the funds they get from car registration and driver licensing doesn't just go to paying for the road.
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    Re: "I'm Not Your Brother," Officer tazes Man in Front of His Children.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    America is not a free sociaty. We are free'er than others relativly, but we are not free objectivly. No one is.
    We are not even near the top economically or otherwise.

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    Re: "I'm Not Your Brother," Officer tazes Man in Front of His Children.

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Damn dude that post really struck a cord in me. Hammering should only be done when it is 100% the obvious task for efficiency. Not because you want to rush.
    I always proffered screws anyway.

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    Re: "I'm Not Your Brother," Officer tazes Man in Front of His Children.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    They never tested me if I could drive in the first place. All they did was make me take a test on the rules of the road when I first starting driving. If I don't hit anyone else then I did not cause anyone else damage. I'm also pretty sure the funds they get from car registration and driver licensing doesn't just go to paying for the road.
    You never had to take a driving test? Did you take a driver-traing class and get a waiver? I know that's offered for motorcycles. Military can pull certin strings to waiv the driving test for a CDL, too.

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    Re: "I'm Not Your Brother," Officer tazes Man in Front of His Children.

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    I am very free. Except maybe to the spirit of the instinctual lioness. I willingly accede to her, within reason.
    You're not free... none of us are.

    America has abandoned the rule of law - the government is no longer accountable to the rule of law. If the government is unaccountable and unconstrained - it can abuse you and your freedom all it wants, whenever it wants. Just b/c you haven't been set upon yet - yet being the operative word there - doesn't mean that you can't be, or you won't be.

    If you fancy yourself a libertarian - so much so that you choose to identify yourself as such on a public forum - I can assure you, you are on the governments radar.

    We are not that far away from collapse. Once that happens, you're going to get a quick lesson in just how free you are not.

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    Re: "I'm Not Your Brother," Officer tazes Man in Front of His Children.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Mr.Lollie didn't seem to understand that, sign or no sign, you have to leave when asked. Even if you "didn't do anything wrong", you still have to leave when asked.

    That's a fact most or all gun owners are keenly aware of. Since the media didn't exploit Mr.Lollie as a law braker (the media only popularizes negative gun-owner stories) I therefore assume he wasn't armed.

    When you then say I don't speak for all gun owners, that sounds to me like you're including Lollie in 'all gun owners', and so I asked where you read that Lollie had a gun.

    I assume Lollie did not have a gun, therefore never took a permit class on law, therefore didn't realize you have to leave when asked regardless.
    No I didn't think Lollie was armed. I understand what you are saying. The difference is when I was young, in a situation like this, it is unlikely this would have happened. It's not that the cops didn't have the right or the ability to detain, beat or arrest anyone, it's because the police didn't always treat people like this. Maybe I'm just too old for you to relate.

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