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    Re: "I'm Not Your Brother," Officer tazes Man in Front of His Children.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Except for the fact that the security had also asked someone else to move as well, a woman, even after the security had asked the man to move at least once. She moved, he still didn't. But it still comes down to the fact that he was wrong. He should have left when asked by the security guard, and if that was wrong, report him. Then he should have cooperated with the police, and if they were wrong, file a complaint or even a suit. Instead, he was uncooperative the entire ordeal with the police, then acted the whole time as if they did something to him. He was trying to get "hassled".

    Otherwise, why would he tell the cop he had to pick up his kids at 1000, then say they were already in that building, and then turn around and tell the cop that the kids weren't there yet when the police officer asked if he needed them to call someone to pick up his children? This is the part I don't understand. I don't get the discrepancy with the children. If you had to be there to pick up your children, or across the street, since that is where the preschool was, then why would you not need someone to pick them up a little later if you are being taken to jail? Why would he assume that someone else would take care of them if they had just seen him arrested?

    Somehow, I doubt it was a smoke area, considering Minnesota has laws against smoking indoors, for most places at least (willing to bet the First National Bank Building is smoke free). Just because he ignored the security guard or more likely accused him of being racist, doesn't mean he didn't know that the area or at least those chairs were meant for employees.
    In a lot of these videos you don't get the full story. You just see the confrontation. You don't know the individuals criminal history or a lot of times, the situation there in in the video either. All you see is the police at the height of the confrontation taking down the person. The large swath of police haters out there eat this up like candy. They are more then happy to jump to conclusions with little to no evidence. I personally think we should just simply vote to disarm and disband the police as much as people hate them. As much as people want to hinder them in doing their job. It's going to, at some point, get so bad that cops won't be able to do anything. It will be similar to what happens when someone passes out on the street and everyone walks around them because they are afraid of getting sued.
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    Re: "I'm Not Your Brother," Officer tazes Man in Front of His Children.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I never consented to the police authority over my person. Anything they do towards my person is therefore a BIG deal. My choices are either be aggressed upon by others, or ummm..

    I don't know, do you know my other choices? Do I have any way to not be aggressed upon by police officers?
    Well... I feel aggressed upon by red lights, stop signs and speed limits... but you don't see me going 150mph thru an intersection in a school zone. If you have a problem with the law, you have the right to have your voice heard, you have the right to vote people in that will change it, and you have the right to lobby congress. You also have the right to break the law, but the consequences are that you will be punished for it.

    Again, the adult way to handle an officer that you believe is doing something wrong to you, is to file a complaint. If you decide to attack the officer, or become aggressive, that officer has every right to defend himself against you. He may ultimately be found guilty of a crime against you, but you might be dead. I don't know about you, but I would rather endure a few hours or days of unjustice then be laying in a wooden box in the ground. Hell, you might even get a big payday from it if you play your cards right. Best way to change the way police officers do business is to start suing the city. When they don't have money to do things they want to do, they will make sure that change happens.
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    Re: "I'm Not Your Brother," Officer tazes Man in Front of His Children.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    Bullies are bullies to boost their frail self confidence. Nothing more. They are pathetic. It is what police officers do, not all of them, not all the time, but they do. The badge gives them balls.

    To the rest I can only reiterate what I had said to Jerry, and that is we have a philosophical difference in how much liberty we give our authority.
    Chez...I don't think you know what your talking about. Until you put on a uniform with a badge (or a target) on it, you have no idea. Cops HAVE TO have that authorative personality. They have firearms on them and to ensure the safety of the people they encounter, they have to be stern and clear with their orders so they can maintain control of the situation. When they are good at doing that, everyone survives the situation just fine.
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    Re: "I'm Not Your Brother," Officer tazes Man in Front of His Children.

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Everyone involved acted inappropriately. There was no reason for the first officer to saunter up and demand ID of a citizen who was not breaking any laws, who was merely sitting in a public place waiting to pick up his kids.

    That said, there was no reason for him to refuse to provide ID when asked, unless he'd just walked over to get his kids and didn't bother to grab his wallet. There's no law against being in public without ID, by the way.
    People who show cops an ID just because they order them to are douchebags IMO. They give cops a sense that they are entitled to it.

    If so many douchebags didn't just show the pigs their ID then they wouldn't get in a tissy-fit when people refuse to comply with their unlawful orders.

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    Re: "I'm Not Your Brother," Officer tazes Man in Front of His Children.

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    People who show cops an ID just because they order them to are douchebags IMO. They give cops a sense that they are entitled to it.

    If so many douchebags didn't just show the pigs their ID then they wouldn't get in a tissy-fit when people refuse to comply with their unlawful orders.
    Its not illegal for them to ASK you for your ID, but it is illegal for them to demand you show ID. There is a difference.
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    Re: "I'm Not Your Brother," Officer tazes Man in Front of His Children.

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    Its not illegal for them to ASK you for your ID, but it is illegal for them to demand you show ID. There is a difference.
    It's not illegal for them to demand to see an ID either. It's simply an unlawful order. And you are not legally obligated to comply with an unlawful order.

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    Re: "I'm Not Your Brother," Officer tazes Man in Front of His Children.

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    It's not illegal for them to demand to see an ID either. It's simply an unlawful order.
    Basically the same thing I said.. we are just fighting with semantics.
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    Re: "I'm Not Your Brother," Officer tazes Man in Front of His Children.

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    I agree rogue. However add in the element of folks who don't like police because they are engaged in criminal activity and just don't think they ought to be stopped. Then there's the hypocritical asshats who think everyone else should be policed but they themselves should be exempt.
    What I'm seeing in this thread is a shocking sense of entitlement from several posters.

    The idea that a lawful and reasonable request from a police officer is considered to be "abuse" or "harassment" is fascinating to me. I'm simply stunned that so many people - people I consider to be rather bright, in fact - can have such an attitude.

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    Re: "I'm Not Your Brother," Officer tazes Man in Front of His Children.

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    It's not illegal for them to demand to see an ID either. It's simply an unlawful order. And you are not legally obligated to comply with an unlawful order.
    But it is absolutely lawful for them to detain the man temporarily, meaning not letting him leave that immediate area, to determine the details of the reason they were called. That is lawful. And he was trying to leave despite them telling him he couldn't. He had every right to not say a word to any cops, but he did not have the right to leave the area while being detained. If they didn't actually have the right to detain him, that is dealt with in court, not during the detainment.
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    Re: "I'm Not Your Brother," Officer tazes Man in Front of His Children.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    But it is absolutely lawful for them to detain the man temporarily, meaning not letting him leave that immediate area, to determine the details of the reason they were called.
    That's ridiculous. They don't need to detain anyone to determine why they were called. All they have to do is ask the person who called.

    Unless he is under arrest he has a right to leave.

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