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    Michael brown paid, full footage shows

    Michael Brown appears to have paid for the cigars he was suspected of having stolen.

    What’s more appalling is that the supposed robbery likely had nothing to do with the altercation between Wilson and Brown, as the video was not obtained until well after Brown had been shot and killed by Wilson.

    It’s shameful that the Ferguson authorities would engage in such tactics. Even if Brown had robbed the convenience store, it is irrelevant to the circumstances of the shooting.

    The punishment for petty theft isn’t death. The punishment for suspected petty theft isn’t death. What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty?


    Michael Brown Paid, Full Footage Shows | Ring of Fire

    Does this look like footage of someone committing a crime?
    This article makes a greater point, one that I think we can't afford to ignore. That point being there seems to be a consistent practice of people shooting unarmed young black men dead then the media demonizing them by creating a false narrative that draws from and perpetuates unfounded stereotypes and prejudices.

    Sometimes I'm not sure which disgusts me more. The people who create these lies or the people who allow themselves to be distracted by them and lose sight of an obvious injustice.

    Does anyone really believe that ALL of these stories of young unarmed black men being shot dead are BS? If so, I see that as a somewhat willing ignorance.
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    Re: Michael brown paid, full footage shows

    This was fully discussed and vetted out yesterday...

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...-wl-168-a.html

    DP conclusion with a few exceptions, was there is nothing in the video showing he paid.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Michael brown paid, full footage shows

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    Michael Brown appears to have paid for the cigars he was suspected of having stolen.

    What’s more appalling is that the supposed robbery likely had nothing to do with the altercation between Wilson and Brown, as the video was not obtained until well after Brown had been shot and killed by Wilson.

    It’s shameful that the Ferguson authorities would engage in such tactics. Even if Brown had robbed the convenience store, it is irrelevant to the circumstances of the shooting.

    The punishment for petty theft isn’t death. The punishment for suspected petty theft isn’t death. What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty?


    Michael Brown Paid, Full Footage Shows | Ring of Fire

    Does this look like footage of someone committing a crime?
    This article makes a greater point, one that I think we can't afford to ignore. That point being there seems to be a consistent practice of people shooting unarmed young black men dead then the media demonizing them by creating a false narrative that draws from and perpetuates unfounded stereotypes and prejudices.

    Sometimes I'm not sure which disgusts me more. The people who create these lies or the people who allow themselves to be distracted by them and lose sight of an obvious injustice.

    Does anyone really believe that ALL of these stories of young unarmed black men being shot dead are BS? If so, I see that as a somewhat willing ignorance.
    If he paid, why does the clerk basically chase Brown out of the door, and try to prevent him from leaving as was seen in the other video (1:20)?

    Why does Brown shove the clerk out of the way and visibly rear up to intimidate him into submission?



    He was involved in a borderline assault, if nothing else. It seems pretty clear that some wrongdoing on Brown's part provoked that situation.

    Given the fact that he was willing to threaten and do physical violence to a store clerk half his size, I frankly don't doubt that he'd be willing and able to display similarly aggressive behavior towards a police officer either.

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    Re: Michael brown paid, full footage shows

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    Michael Brown appears to have paid for the cigars he was suspected of having stolen.

    What’s more appalling is that the supposed robbery likely had nothing to do with the altercation between Wilson and Brown, as the video was not obtained until well after Brown had been shot and killed by Wilson.

    It’s shameful that the Ferguson authorities would engage in such tactics. Even if Brown had robbed the convenience store, it is irrelevant to the circumstances of the shooting.

    The punishment for petty theft isn’t death. The punishment for suspected petty theft isn’t death. What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty?


    Michael Brown Paid, Full Footage Shows | Ring of Fire

    Does this look like footage of someone committing a crime?
    This article makes a greater point, one that I think we can't afford to ignore. That point being there seems to be a consistent practice of people shooting unarmed young black men dead then the media demonizing them by creating a false narrative that draws from and perpetuates unfounded stereotypes and prejudices.

    Sometimes I'm not sure which disgusts me more. The people who create these lies or the people who allow themselves to be distracted by them and lose sight of an obvious injustice.

    Does anyone really believe that ALL of these stories of young unarmed black men being shot dead are BS? If so, I see that as a somewhat willing ignorance.
    With all due respect, there is a police report on the robbery. If the shop owner had told the investigating officer that there was no robbery there wouldn't have been a report. Furthermore, Brown's attorney certainly wouldn't have confirmed the incident if there was any doubt.

    Look, I understand the frustration with this incident. I understand that it can be painful to see an unarmed person killed. I understand that the lack of verifiable information regarding the incident inevitably leads to conjecture. What I can't understand though is how so many people can take that conjecture and internalize it as fact.

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    Re: Michael brown paid, full footage shows

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    Michael Brown appears to have paid for the cigars he was suspected of having stolen.

    What’s more appalling is that the supposed robbery likely had nothing to do with the altercation between Wilson and Brown, as the video was not obtained until well after Brown had been shot and killed by Wilson.

    It’s shameful that the Ferguson authorities would engage in such tactics. Even if Brown had robbed the convenience store, it is irrelevant to the circumstances of the shooting.

    The punishment for petty theft isn’t death. The punishment for suspected petty theft isn’t death. What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty?


    Michael Brown Paid, Full Footage Shows | Ring of Fire

    Does this look like footage of someone committing a crime?
    This article makes a greater point, one that I think we can't afford to ignore. That point being there seems to be a consistent practice of people shooting unarmed young black men dead then the media demonizing them by creating a false narrative that draws from and perpetuates unfounded stereotypes and prejudices.

    Sometimes I'm not sure which disgusts me more. The people who create these lies or the people who allow themselves to be distracted by them and lose sight of an obvious injustice.

    Does anyone really believe that ALL of these stories of young unarmed black men being shot dead are BS? If so, I see that as a somewhat willing ignorance.
    Well done. Pathetic, but well done. You've accomplished something here, but I don't think it's what you think it is.

    How about toning down the baiting, and allowing the process to determine what happens next?

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    Re: Michael brown paid, full footage shows

    Quick, what the difference between "Michael Brown paid" and "Michael Brown appears to have paid"?

    Partisan crap source is crap.
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    Re: Michael brown paid, full footage shows

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    [Sometimes I'm not sure which disgusts me more. The people who create these lies or the people who allow themselves to be distracted by them and lose sight of an obvious injustice.

    Does anyone really believe that ALL of these stories of young unarmed black men being shot dead are BS? If so, I see that as a somewhat willing ignorance.
    So you foist this doctored video upon us that has been carefully edited to paint a false picture and you accuse OTHERS of lying?

    sheesh!
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    Re: Michael brown paid, full footage shows

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    Michael Brown appears to have paid for the cigars he was suspected of having stolen.

    What’s more appalling is that the supposed robbery likely had nothing to do with the altercation between Wilson and Brown, as the video was not obtained until well after Brown had been shot and killed by Wilson.

    It’s shameful that the Ferguson authorities would engage in such tactics. Even if Brown had robbed the convenience store, it is irrelevant to the circumstances of the shooting.

    The punishment for petty theft isn’t death. The punishment for suspected petty theft isn’t death. What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty?


    Michael Brown Paid, Full Footage Shows | Ring of Fire

    Does this look like footage of someone committing a crime?
    This article makes a greater point, one that I think we can't afford to ignore. That point being there seems to be a consistent practice of people shooting unarmed young black men dead then the media demonizing them by creating a false narrative that draws from and perpetuates unfounded stereotypes and prejudices.

    Sometimes I'm not sure which disgusts me more. The people who create these lies or the people who allow themselves to be distracted by them and lose sight of an obvious injustice.

    Does anyone really believe that ALL of these stories of young unarmed black men being shot dead are BS? If so, I see that as a somewhat willing ignorance.
    You should find the full video footage and take a look. Near the end you will see the large black man grab the small asian man by his throat. Do these really look like the actions of a man that legally paid for what he's walking out with?

    If so, I see that as a somewhat willing ignorance.
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    Re: Michael brown paid, full footage shows

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    With all due respect, there is a police report on the robbery. If the shop owner had told the investigating officer that there was no robbery there wouldn't have been a report. Furthermore, Brown's attorney certainly wouldn't have confirmed the incident if there was any doubt.

    Look, I understand the frustration with this incident. I understand that it can be painful to see an unarmed person killed. I understand that the lack of verifiable information regarding the incident inevitably leads to conjecture. What I can't understand though is how so many people can take that conjecture and internalize it as fact.
    I agree, well put (as many times as I have opposed you it is only fair to express agreement when agreement exists).

    It is particularly beyond understanding that the AG and the President of the US are among those who have jumped to conclusions.

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    Re: Michael brown paid, full footage shows

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    If he paid, why does the clerk basically chase Brown out of the door, and try to prevent him from leaving as was seen in the other video (1:20)?

    Why does Brown shove the clerk out of the way and visibly rear up to intimidate him into submission?



    He was involved in a borderline assault, if nothing else. It seems pretty clear that some wrongdoing on Brown's part provoked that situation.

    Given the fact that he was willing to threaten and do physical violence to a store clerk half his size, I frankly don't doubt that he'd be willing and able to display similarly aggressive behavior towards a police officer either.
    I was specifically addressing the accusation of theft.

    As for what you "read" between the lines about this young mans character based on what you see here. That's you perception not fact and it seems informed by something other than what is actually known.

    Neither one of us knows what provoked the confrontation between these two men do we? Maybe the clerk suspected him of something and accused him aggressively? You think just because the clerk is small that means he could not possibly have been the one who started the problem?
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