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    Re: Michael brown paid, full footage shows

    Gotta be more careful OP, there is a lot of bs floating around about all this and I'm pretty sure this is bs.

    The video in the article is incomplete and the full video posted by Gathomas shows pretty clear evidence of a likely robbery. Everything about the video is consistent with him shoplifting and physically pushing past and threatening the clerk which I believe makes it a robbery.

    He takes a bunch of items, drops some on the ground, gives some to his friend. His friend puts the item back on the counter. While Brown is retrieving dropped items off the floor the clerk snatches the stuff on the counter then walks around to try and take back the other items. Brown pushes him out of the way as the clerk tries to guard the door and then Brown turns to the clerk and menaces him until he backs off.

    Nothing in the video indicates he paid.

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    Re: Michael brown paid, full footage shows

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    This was fully discussed and vetted out yesterday...

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...-wl-168-a.html

    DP conclusion with a few exceptions, was there is nothing in the video showing he paid.
    That would be interesting if I thought the DP was rife with objectively minded people. But since I don't...I don't really care what the DP consensus was or is
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    Re: Michael brown paid, full footage shows

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    That would be interesting if I thought the DP was rife with objectively minded people. But since I don't...I don't really care what the DP consensus was or is
    Then let me reiterate with regards to the video in the link you provided ... where's the cash in his hand? Where's the debit or credit card in his hand? Where's the receipt that is commonly provided after paying? Where did we see Brown reach into his pocket for cash or a debit card? Where did we see him getting change or see him put away his debit/credit card?

    If he paid these are things that happen and NONE of that is shown in the video. Zero.


    Perhaps you can point them out then in the "proof" which is the video?
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    Re: Michael brown paid, full footage shows

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    I was specifically addressing the accusation of theft.

    As for what you "read" between the lines about this young mans character based on what you see here. That's you perception not fact and it seems informed by something other than what is actually known.

    Neither one of us knows what provoked the confrontation between these two men do we? Maybe the clerk suspected him of something and accused him aggressively? You think just because the clerk is small that means he could not possibly have been the one who started the problem?
    Your excuse doesn't wash. At the time of Brown's shooting he was a suspect in a strong arm robbery. Regardless of whether he actually robbed the store or not, the report was there and he was being sought. There is no evidence at this point that the officer did not know this at the time of the struggle and the shooting.

    This going back in time to repair your conclusions isn't working.

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    Re: Michael brown paid, full footage shows

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    I was specifically addressing the accusation of theft.

    As for what you "read" between the lines about this young mans character based on what you see here. That's you perception not fact and it seems informed by something other than what is actually known.

    Neither one of us knows what provoked the confrontation between these two men do we? Maybe the clerk suspected him of something and accused him aggressively? You think just because the clerk is small that means he could not possibly have been the one who started the problem?
    The simple fact of the matter is that he assaulted the guy. That's a crime.

    There is also no proof whatsoever that he actually paid. All we can say for sure is that he assaulted the store clerk and ran off afterwards. When later stopped by the police regarding the incident, all reports seem to indicate that he displayed a similarly aggressive attitude (up to and including assaulting a police officer, causing grievous bodily harm to him in the process) and was shot dead as s result of that.

    I'm sorry OP, but this "young man" doesn't seem to be the martyr you're looking for.
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    Re: Michael brown paid, full footage shows

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    That would be interesting if I thought the DP was rife with objectively minded people. But since I don't...I don't really care what the DP consensus was or is


    You obviously do not care about the truth, either.
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    Re: Michael brown paid, full footage shows

    Originally Posted by opendebate

    full footage shows
    that's not the full footage, just different camera angle.

    Are you saying the attorney for Dorian Johnson is a liar?

    Attorney Confirms That Is His Client and Michael Brown in Surveillance Video | Mediaite

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    Re: Michael brown paid, full footage shows

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    Michael Brown appears to have paid for the cigars he was suspected of having stolen.

    Whatís more appalling is that the supposed robbery likely had nothing to do with the altercation between Wilson and Brown, as the video was not obtained until well after Brown had been shot and killed by Wilson.

    Itís shameful that the Ferguson authorities would engage in such tactics. Even if Brown had robbed the convenience store, it is irrelevant to the circumstances of the shooting.

    The punishment for petty theft isnít death. The punishment for suspected petty theft isnít death. What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty?


    Michael Brown Paid, Full Footage Shows | Ring of Fire

    Does this look like footage of someone committing a crime?
    This article makes a greater point, one that I think we can't afford to ignore. That point being there seems to be a consistent practice of people shooting unarmed young black men dead then the media demonizing them by creating a false narrative that draws from and perpetuates unfounded stereotypes and prejudices.

    Sometimes I'm not sure which disgusts me more. The people who create these lies or the people who allow themselves to be distracted by them and lose sight of an obvious injustice.

    Does anyone really believe that ALL of these stories of young unarmed black men being shot dead are BS? If so, I see that as a somewhat willing ignorance.
    You're right, the punishment for petty theft isn't death, which is why he wasn't shot for this theft.

    His cohort and his cohort's attorney have both publicly stated that they robbed the store. So whether he appears to pay or not isn't relevant. His accomplice - one of the star witnesses who claimed Brown was shot in cold blood - has said this was a robbery. If he lied about that, then he could have lied about the cold blood shooting too.

    It's in the interest of the people who made this silly claim to back off. It doesn't help their cause to get Wilson locked up.

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    Re: Michael brown paid, full footage shows

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    With all due respect, there is a police report on the robbery. If the shop owner had told the investigating officer that there was no robbery there wouldn't have been a report. Furthermore, Brown's attorney certainly wouldn't have confirmed the incident if there was any doubt.

    Look, I understand the frustration with this incident. I understand that it can be painful to see an unarmed person killed. I understand that the lack of verifiable information regarding the incident inevitably leads to conjecture. What I can't understand though is how so many people can take that conjecture and internalize it as fact.
    Exactly. We are all looking for that next person to tattle on and get in trouble. The handling of this situation by the media should bring about legislation to prevent media coverage of situations like these until an investigation is completed and all facts are know. The media is never held accountable and they are the biggest perpetrators of true division we still have in this country. I despise the media with every inch of my being.

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    Re: Michael brown paid, full footage shows

    Attorney: Dorian Johnson confirms he was with Brown at store robbery


    If you continue to try to claim there was no robbery, You can't be taken seriously.

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