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    Re: Michael brown paid, full footage shows

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I don't agree with a lot of what you've posted - your dismissal of what seems obvious to me is puzzling - however, different views and perspectives make life interesting. Have fun.
    I thought about this post alot last night. I wasn't directing my comments at you and I think it probably sounded that way. Sorry if it came off like that. Your response was intelligent and civil and I appreciated hearing your perspective.
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    Re: Michael brown paid, full footage shows

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    I thought about this post alot last night. I wasn't directing my comments at you and I think it probably sounded that way. Sorry if it came off like that. Your response was intelligent and civil and I appreciated hearing your perspective.
    Not to worry - I didn't take any offense to your comments and didn't feel you were singling out me or my comments in any way - it was just an exchange of ideas. We clearly have different views on the matter and there's nothing wrong with that. You didn't call me a racist, didn't call me names, didn't tell me to mind my own business and spew out xenophobic hatred of Canada and Canadians - that's a win-win for me - I considered it a banner exchange of views and ideas!!
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    Re: Michael brown paid, full footage shows

    The story the OP posted said he appears to have paid. I am not sure why they say that because it looks like he asked for the cigars behind the counter and passed them to his friend and then walked away. I did not see a wallet or exchange of cash. What leads people to believe he paid based on this footage?

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    Re: Michael brown paid, full footage shows

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    You said the whole "you people" thing was racist. Since the "people" referred to was Conservatives...

    You can't be racist against a group that isn't a race.
    I didn't....

    Another poster was implying that "you people" was a racist term.

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    Re: Michael brown paid, full footage shows

    As usual John Oliver sums it up best

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUdHIatS36A
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    Re: Michael brown paid, full footage shows

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    Michael Brown appears to have paid for the cigars he was suspected of having stolen.

    Whatís more appalling is that the supposed robbery likely had nothing to do with the altercation between Wilson and Brown, as the video was not obtained until well after Brown had been shot and killed by Wilson.

    Itís shameful that the Ferguson authorities would engage in such tactics. Even if Brown had robbed the convenience store, it is irrelevant to the circumstances of the shooting.

    The punishment for petty theft isnít death. The punishment for suspected petty theft isnít death. What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty?


    Michael Brown Paid, Full Footage Shows | Ring of Fire

    Does this look like footage of someone committing a crime?
    This article makes a greater point, one that I think we can't afford to ignore. That point being there seems to be a consistent practice of people shooting unarmed young black men dead then the media demonizing them by creating a false narrative that draws from and perpetuates unfounded stereotypes and prejudices.

    Sometimes I'm not sure which disgusts me more. The people who create these lies or the people who allow themselves to be distracted by them and lose sight of an obvious injustice.

    Does anyone really believe that ALL of these stories of young unarmed black men being shot dead are BS? If so, I see that as a somewhat willing ignorance.
    I know I smack around a store clerk after paying for my cigars. Its normal, right?

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    Re: Michael brown paid, full footage shows

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    As usual John Oliver sums it up best

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUdHIatS36A
    Thanks for sharing, great video.
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    Re: Michael brown paid, full footage shows

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    I know I smack around a store clerk after paying for my cigars. Its normal, right?
    Who said that?
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    Re: Michael brown paid, full footage shows

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    Who said that?
    I posted this in another thread, but just to put this one to rest:

    Here is the relevant portion of the transcript from the store owner's lawyer:

    KANZLER: Sure. I mean, first of all, my clients have never said that that is Michael Brown in the video. In fact, before that weekend they had never seen that individual, Michael Brown, or the individual on the tape in the store. What I can say is that what occurs on the tape, what you see on the tape, did occur in the store. Somebody did come in. Somebody did attempt to steal cigars. Just as that individual on the tape can be seen doing it, he reached around the counter and tried to grab additional cigars from the clerk. There were words exchanged with the female cashier and then the store clerk did try to go to the front door to lock the door and to talk to the individual in the video.
    Apparently what some of you believe was Michael Brown paying for the cigars was just Michael Brown stealing additional cigars.

    CNN.com - Transcripts

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    Re: Michael brown paid, full footage shows

    I ran with this when I saw an article suggesting the video shows he paid, but in the end I took down my support of that view.

    There are things you can deduce from the video that works each way.

    In Support of Purchase:

    Brown has a number of products he seems to have taken to the counter and the exchange with the clerk, and his other movements and behaviors, come across as very natural; he's not being forceful and he's not attempting to be sneaky. There's even some movements that indicate he left some products behind as though he couldn't afford them all. Then, when the clerk comes around and goes past him, there's no sign of hostility or strange behavior by either person.

    Then there's a couple other things not directly related to the longer video. If the clerk went up there with the intent to stop Brown, well... that's just an incredibly stupid decision. Brown is twice his size. How exactly did the clerk expect to stop him? Lastly, the clerk never called the cops to report a robbery. The call was made by another customer and there's no telling what that customer saw; if they only saw altercation at the door it'd be logical to assume a robbery, but perhaps not factual.

    In Support of Robbery:

    The final altercation would suggest a robbery, though it remains possible there were simply words exchanged that offended Brown, or some other cause for it. Then the store hasn't seemed to dispute the fact there was a robbery, so there probably was one.

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