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    Re: Pentagon: No evidence of ISIS at border

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    And we may not know for years if they entered. Al-Qaeda proved one thing with the 9/11 attacks and that is they are VERY patient and will wait years to attack when they get to a place.
    IIRC most of them over-stayed their visas. I believe OS are responsible for about 40% of the illegal population.

    These are groups known to be in the US prior to 2007.

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    Re: Pentagon: No evidence of ISIS at border

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    IIRC most of them over-stayed their visas. I believe OS are responsible for about 40% of the illegal population.

    These are groups known to be in the US prior to 2007.

    I question maps like that though. I would have to see how they determined they were terrorist groups. IF they are using watch list data that is incredibly inaccurate because lost of groups are on watch lists, however, haven't proven to be terrorist cells. Also, if they are considering groups to consist of people as far down to 3 people, that can skew data as well. I'm well aware that it only took 12, but I wouldn't take the map data and them militerize the U.S. over it is all I'm saying.

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    Re: Pentagon: No evidence of ISIS at border

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    I question maps like that though. I would have to see how they determined they were terrorist groups. IF they are using watch list data that is incredibly inaccurate because lost of groups are on watch lists, however, haven't proven to be terrorist cells. Also, if they are considering groups to consist of people as far down to 3 people, that can skew data as well. I'm well aware that it only took 12, but I wouldn't take the map data and them militerize the U.S. over it is all I'm saying.
    Small groups or a lone wolf can cause a lot of havoc.

    We should heed their warnings.

    FBI warns police to be on lookout for ISIS threats in US | Mail Online
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    Re: Pentagon: No evidence of ISIS at border

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Small groups or a lone wolf can cause a lot of havoc.

    We should heed their warnings.

    FBI warns police to be on lookout for ISIS threats in US | Mail Online
    As I said before, I recognize the border situation is unacceptable and I don't condone just "blowing it off". I was just saying we have to be careful also when evaluating such data so that people don't freak out and then give the federal government more "Patriot Act" type powers in response to fear is all. Someone could evaluate that map and go "OMG the terrorists are here, we need to give the Federal Government MORE power to act NOW!!!" which would be totally overblown.

    We need to remain diligent no matter what, but we need to temper that with reason as well.

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    Re: Pentagon: No evidence of ISIS at border

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    You are welcome to argue that. But it's still equivocation.
    No, it's not. I'm not attempting to pussyfoot around anything. That is my experience in life, first hand, no more and no less.

    As I noted before one could make the case in much the same way as you have above that al Qaeda is a tea drinking social club
    But calling aQ a tea society is stupid, useless, and wrong.
    It's also equivocation.
    So...Dod official = politician -- like al Qaeda = tea drinking social club?
    Is that your final answer?
    Mmmmkay...

    Equivocation is an effective seducer of netizens who are motivated to believe.
    The flip side of that coin, simply put, is "ignorance is bliss."

    As an fyi for everyone
    Pretty much any time you have to resort to citing a dictionary to show that two different things are actually the same, you're using equivocation.
    I only cite the dictionary when it's painfully obvious the other person has no clue what they're talking about.

    You stated:
    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    My office has politics, but we're not politicians.
    The DoD is not a politician. [What a wierd-ass thing to have to say]
    If you sincerely believe the upper echelons in the DoD are not politicians first, you'd be mistaken. The higher the rank, the more politics involved in the position. When you consider the various Department heads, including DoD, are *appointed*by the President, and *confirmed* by Congress... that fits the definition of a politician. In other words, there's a world of difference between the "politics" involved when one guy has his hand on the "red button," and the "politics" involved when Joe gets promoted over Jim because he has happy hour with the boss.


    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    It's an empty rhetorical device to segue into any bat**** **** without having to take ownership of saying something bat****--weasel words. Politicians do that crap all the time--words loaded with connotation but empty of denotation. It's a low-risk easy way to get people fired up.
    True. It's also a simple way of getting people to simmer down and shut up. Much like the DoD's "announcement" of "evidence." Or lack there of...


    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Possible don't mean squat.
    A zillion and one things are possible.

    We cannot effectively plan for all possibilities--it'd be a stupid waste.
    Given that resources in the real world are limited, we have to plan for what is probable.
    Exactly. That's why the top officials get paid top $. They are paid to make an educated guess. Unfortunately, too many of them play party politics and maintain the status quo. But really, what do you expect from a politician?

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    Re: Pentagon: No evidence of ISIS at border

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Read more: Pentagon: No evidence of ISIS at border | TheHill

    Rick Perry recently stated that ISIS might have entered the US through the Mexican border.... Well... It seems to just be more bull**** out of Perry's mouth [/FONT][/COLOR]
    And people believed that nonsense?

    Wow.
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    Re: Pentagon: No evidence of ISIS at border

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    As I said before, I recognize the border situation is unacceptable and I don't condone just "blowing it off". I was just saying we have to be careful also when evaluating such data so that people don't freak out and then give the federal government more "Patriot Act" type powers in response to fear is all. Someone could evaluate that map and go "OMG the terrorists are here, we need to give the Federal Government MORE power to act NOW!!!" which would be totally overblown.

    We need to remain diligent no matter what, but we need to temper that with reason as well.
    I agree. people will and do freak out for no reason.

    Most people I know and myself choose to protect *ourselves and not rely on the government regardless.
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    Re: Pentagon: No evidence of ISIS at border

    Quote Originally Posted by Doppelgangirl View Post
    So...Dod official = politician -- like al Qaeda = tea drinking social club?
    Is that your final answer?
    Mmmmkay...
    Unless you're going to say that the spokesman is speaking on his own behalf about he himself has determined, then the charge actually is that the DOD is a politician.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Pentagon: No evidence of ISIS at border

    Quote Originally Posted by Van Basten View Post
    And people believed that nonsense?

    Wow.
    Which nonsense? From Perry or the Pentagon?
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    Re: Pentagon: No evidence of ISIS at border

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    It's a catch 22 here IMO. If the DoD can monitor people to KNOW they are not from ISIS, then they are intentially letting illegals into this country which should be a felony. If they can't monitor illegals coming into the country, then they cannot confirm that ISIS or any other terrorist, cartel, drug runner, etc. has entered the country which would make Perry's comments valid. Well valid in the sense we don't know if ISIS has entered or not.
    That isn't what is being said. According to the OP, the DoD is saying that it has seen no evidence that ISIS has come in through the border. I'm not aware of any reason why any evidence would be presented to the DoD. For all I know, Stevie Wonder hasn't seen any evidence of buildings coming down on 9/11/2001. It is such a week expression: seen no evidence.

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