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    Re: Pentagon: No evidence of ISIS at border

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Read more: Pentagon: No evidence of ISIS at border | TheHill

    Rick Perry recently stated that ISIS might have entered the US through the Mexican border.... Well... It seems to just be more bull**** out of Perry's mouth [/FONT][/COLOR]
    How come Al Qaeda didn't think of that?

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    Re: Pentagon: No evidence of ISIS at border

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    nope.
    Not because of that.

    Just pointing out what, "There is a very real possibility" means
    Well, means a bit more than just Powerball and meteors.


    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    I have no idea of the actually level of probability. but if I wanted to know, i would seek out subject matter experts rather than take the word of a politician.
    Not saying that you would take the word of a politician--no one's that dumb.
    Well, you're sort of taking the word of a politician as well. A flag level officer in the position of press secretary for the Pentagon is exactly that....just an assigned one in lieu of elected.

    But don't disagree, I would never said its definitive. Bottom line for anyone that took the 9/11 Commission report at seriously, when groups like this make a threat...you listen. The southern borders is a huge vulnerability, one that could easily be exploited.....particularly with a big chunk of resources directed towards babysitting right now.

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Again, I would defer to subject matter experts rather than poiticians with agendas--e.g any of them.

    Of course, ymmv
    There are a few out there that fit that description that share the politician's concern, particularly those formerly in the intelligence community. Google it, there are few voicing concern of the possibility.

    Frankly, Perry's statement was poor. Could have easily just stated that the currently wide open border is big vulnerability that could be exploited by groups like ISIS.

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    Re: Pentagon: No evidence of ISIS at border

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishstyx View Post
    Well, means a bit more than just Powerball and meteors.
    The phrase can be used no matter how remote the probability.
    It's an empty meaningless phrase. That's why it reminded me of GWB's "concern" over Iraq's flying, venomous robots of terror.

    It's an empty rhetorical device to segue into any bat**** **** without having to take ownership of saying something bat****--weasel words.
    Politicians do that crap all the time--words loaded with connotation but empty of denotation. It's a low-risk easy way to get people fired up


    Quote Originally Posted by Fishstyx View Post
    Well, you're sort of taking the word of a politician as well. A flag level officer in the position of press secretary for the Pentagon is exactly that....just an assigned one in lieu of elected.
    al Qaeda is "sort of" a tea society social club--the members meet, drink tea, and talk.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Pentagon: No evidence of ISIS at border

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Thanks for backing up the OP!
    "said that while they are “unaware of any specific, credible threats against the Homeland”
    There were no credible specific threats prior to 911 either, but by all means keep smelling that hope and change.

    After alleged Islamic terrorists threatened Chicago and Washington D.C., on Twitter, the government is begging local police to remain vigilant.

    The FBI and the Department of Homeland Security issued a bulletin Friday urging all local officials to be on the lookout for possible ISIS threats and homegrown terror.

    Read more: 'We are in your cities': Alleged ISIS terrorists threaten U.S. via Twitter; FBI orders police to be on high alert - NY Daily News

    The FBI and Homeland Security have warned police forces across the country to be on the lookout for terrorist threats as a chilling note was posted online warning that Chicago could be an ISIS target.

    The federal agencies sent a bulletin on Friday to law enforcement agencies warning them to be on the lookout for terrorism.

    Although no specific threats have been identified, they could not guarantee no future attacks, the federal agencies said.
    FBI warns police to be on lookout for ISIS threats in US | Mail Online
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    Re: Pentagon: No evidence of ISIS at border

    So there are reports of threats, just not reports of ISIS moving across the Rio Grande.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Pentagon: No evidence of ISIS at border

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    There were no credible specific threats prior to 911 either, but by all means keep smelling that hope and change.






    FBI warns police to be on lookout for ISIS threats in US | Mail Online
    Did anyone say they shouldnt be on the "lookout"? No. The Pentagon said there is no proof that they have entered.. So I guess thanks for backing up the OP!


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    Re: Pentagon: No evidence of ISIS at border

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    al Qaeda is "sort of" a tea society social club--the members meet, drink tea, and talk.
    http://www.navy.mil/navydata/bios/navybio.asp?bioID=691

    Yup, looks like a SME to me. Sorry, my mistake.

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    Re: Pentagon: No evidence of ISIS at border

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishstyx View Post
    http://www.navy.mil/navydata/bios/navybio.asp?bioID=691
    Yup, looks like a SME to me. Sorry, my mistake.
    If you want to abuse language like that, I cannot stop you.
    But declaring the DoD a politican seems like obvious equivocation.

    Or are you trying to tell us that Admiral Kirby was speaking for himself about his own judgments instead of for the DoD?
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Pentagon: No evidence of ISIS at border

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    If you want to abuse language like that, I cannot stop you.
    But declaring the DoD a politican seems like obvious equivocation.

    Or are you trying to tell us that Admiral Kirby was speaking for himself about his own judgments instead of for the DoD?
    No, simply pointing out that he is a press secretary. He's handed the talking points by Pentagon leadership. This set of talking points was likely directed to questions that would likely to arise from Perry's statement. You don't think the Pentagon is politics free....do you?

    Bottom line here is I find it interesting that Pentagon released this as the official statement when the comments from Secretary Hagel and General Dempsey have talked up the threat level of this group as well as their motivations and sophistication. Again, goes back to simply asking how can the Pentagon definitively know that? Are they tracking every person crossing the border? Does the intelligence account for every member of ISIS?

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    Re: Pentagon: No evidence of ISIS at border

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishstyx View Post
    No, simply pointing out that he is a press secretary. He's handed the talking points by Pentagon leadership. This set of talking points was likely directed to questions that would likely to arise from Perry's statement. You don't think the Pentagon is politics free....do you?
    My office has politics, but we're not politicians.
    The DoD is not a politician. [What a wierd-ass thing to have to say]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishstyx View Post
    Again, goes back to simply asking how can the Pentagon definitively know that?
    How can the Pentagon know that they have no evidence of ISIS crossing into the US?
    They would ask their personnel tasked with following ISIS I suppose.
    How would you set about ascertaining the knowledge that your organization has?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishstyx View Post
    Are they tracking every person crossing the border? Does the intelligence account for every member of ISIS?
    These are questions which would be more appropriate if the DoD had said that there were no ISIS agents crossing our southern border.
    Instead, the DoD said that they had no evidence of such a thing occurring.
    So your questions don't fit very well.
    You seem to be addressing whether or not ISIS agents have crossed the border while the DoD are addressing their knowledge of ISIS agents crossing the border.

    To me the two ideas are distinct.
    I was under the impression that you could tell the two apart.
    I may be wrong.

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