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    Re: Pentagon: No evidence of ISIS at border

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Ok, so no one from the Pentagon has actually been to the border? See the credibility issue?
    And again, they don't have to! That's why we have a Border Patrol agency and ICE agents and the FBI and a Dept. of Homeland Security - federal agencies working in concert w/local authorities to catch the bad guys. No, it didn't work very well in the lead-up to 9/11, but alot has changed since then and there hasn't been another such event on U.S. soil since. That certainly doesn't mean it couldn't happen, but if every agency from bottom to top and back down again are sharing intelligence information and doing their part to catch the bad guys, we shouldn't have to worry about it.

    At this stage, however, I put more of the blame for the holes in our southern border security efforts squarely on Congress, mostly on Republicans. They continue to rant on and on about these illegal alien border crossings, but the moment you ask for federal funds to shore up the leaks, they fall back on "secure the border" first with a fence knowing full well that until you get the manpower behind the surveillance and capture efforts, any attempt to build a fence line will fail. Frankly, I find the idea of a fence along our southern (or northern) border appalling. I mean, how does Reagan get away with demanding that Gorbachev "tear down this wall" but it's just fine for America to build one.
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    Re: Pentagon: No evidence of ISIS at border

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    As I said before, I recognize the border situation is unacceptable and I don't condone just "blowing it off". I was just saying we have to be careful also when evaluating such data so that people don't freak out and then give the federal government more "Patriot Act" type powers in response to fear is all. Someone could evaluate that map and go "OMG the terrorists are here, we need to give the Federal Government MORE power to act NOW!!!" which would be totally overblown.

    We need to remain diligent no matter what, but we need to temper that with reason as well.
    Frankly, I think those who scream loose border security are actually looking for the real Red Dawn to occur just so they can say, "I told you so," and then assert their position of power. Funny thing is, I think if something like that did occur I think the people would rise up faster than our domestic military forces.
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    Re: Pentagon: No evidence of ISIS at border

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Read more: Pentagon: No evidence of ISIS at border | TheHill

    Rick Perry recently stated that ISIS might have entered the US through the Mexican border.... Well... It seems to just be more bull**** out of Perry's mouth [/FONT][/COLOR]


    Rick Perry is a complete MORON!

    He contends that Arabs have changed their names and are entering the US through the US-Mexican border...

    Right...with an exodus of Latinos flooding across the Rio Grande, "Arabs" are going to change their name, learn Spanish well enough to convince an armed immigration officer in order to get into the country legally....

    Got it.

    Typically, he assumes 'backward' countries like Canada and Mexico have no immigration control and us "mongrels" let anyone in.
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    Re: Pentagon: No evidence of ISIS at border

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Frankly, I think those who scream loose border security are actually looking for the real Red Dawn to occur just so they can say, "I told you so," and then assert their position of power. Funny thing is, I think if something like that did occur I think the people would rise up faster than our domestic military forces.

    I suspect the "people" would rise up at the suggestion....

    Loose border indeed, there is about 4,000 miles of undefended border to your north much of it in mountainous terrain where hikers follow trails that weave in and out of the US and Canada. Only in the US in many places there are "civilian patrols" with assault rifles "patrolling" that border, presumably to make sure no deadly maple syrup sneaks across.

    We sure do feel a friend in Americans when they arm themselves to keep out a people who has never had much of an interest in living there. Shopping, yes, and getting rich in Hollywood like Shatner and Neil Young, but live there?
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    Re: Pentagon: No evidence of ISIS at border

    Quote Originally Posted by Doppelgangirl View Post
    The DoD is an organization. Congress is an organization.
    These organizations are made up of *individuals.*
    Yes, the ruling ranks at the DoD, Pentagon, DIA, CIA, etc are, in fact, politicians. I stand by that statement.
    You go right ahead and do that.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Pentagon: No evidence of ISIS at border

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Why in the hell would ISIS members need to pose as Hispanic, payoff Mexican criminal organizations, and sneak across hundreds of miles of desert wasteland to get here via our southern border when easily hundreds of them hold British Passports and could fly here first class if they wanted??
    We've got to beat up Obama for a southern border that's been unsecured, forever.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Pentagon: No evidence of ISIS at border

    Quote Originally Posted by Doppelgangirl View Post
    I don't think "rag tag fanatic amateurs" would be able to impact a map this way.
    The Many Ways to Map the Islamic 'State' - The Atlantic

    Thought I'd help

    http://cdn.theatlantic.com/newsroom/.../2dc9e669a.png




    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...ideo.html?_r=1
    http://static01.nyt.com/images/2014/...leLarge-v6.png


    "The 'caliphate' here is not so much a coherent territorial entity like Jordan or Belgium as a series of spreading cracks in existing states. There is no state-like border corresponding to the Aleppo-Mosul-Falluja perimeter."



    http://cdn.theatlantic.com/newsroom/.../bbf8f007b.png


    It's not that maps have an established difficulty per acre.
    Different areas require different levels of effort and ability to control.
    Iraq and Syria have not had functional governments for quite some time now.
    It's not the same as if ISIS had captured pieces of two healthy nations.
    These areas are under ISIS control largely because Baghdad and Syria are too feeble to offer resistance.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Pentagon: No evidence of ISIS at border

    Yep! And China and Russia both warned three years ago that US interference in Syria would cause the crisis to spread throughout the region!
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    Re: Pentagon: No evidence of ISIS at border

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Which nonsense? From Perry or the Pentagon?
    You shouldn't even need to ask.
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    Re: Pentagon: No evidence of ISIS at border

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Yep! And China and Russia both warned three years ago that US interference in Syria would cause the crisis to spread throughout the region!
    Ever wonder if Russia is supplying the Syrian rebels in much the same way the U.S. supplied the Afghan rebels back in the '80s? After all, they learned the hard way that blindly feeding the military industrial complex on a never-ending war effort was the surest way of kill a nation's economy.
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