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    Re: Officer "Go **** Yourself" Threatens to kill journalist

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Claiming the proof is in the video and actually posting the proof are two different things.
    It's common sense. Cops don't just threaten violence unless they feel threatened. I'd love to see you as the cop in that situation. A pants soiling may be the outcome. He may have a short temper but his actions say he was under attack, or felt like he was. Why must everything be black & white with you? You seem to never read between the lines or use common sense. I'm guessing you are atheist also since there is no physical evidence of God or a supreme being.

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    Re: Officer "Go **** Yourself" Threatens to kill journalist

    Quote Originally Posted by JRSaindo View Post
    It's common sense. Cops don't just threaten violence unless they feel threatened. I'd love to see you as the cop in that situation. A pants soiling may be the outcome. He may have a short temper but his actions say he was under attack, or felt like he was. Why must everything be black & white with you? You seem to never read between the lines or use common sense. I'm guessing you are atheist also since there is no physical evidence of God or a supreme being.
    If you watch the video, you will see that there are other police officers in the immediate area and none of them are showing any indication of feeling threatened, while this officer is spinning around with a pointed weapon. The officer not only demonstrates a poor temper (not a horrible offfense given the situation) but incredibly poor judgement.

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    Re: Officer "Go **** Yourself" Threatens to kill journalist

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I never said anything about why he raised his rifle in the first place. All of my comments referred to his keeping it raised while pointing it at the journalist

    I know what happened there and just before. I know the journalist gave him no reason to keep his gun raised and pointed at him. I know that he threatened the journalists life for no good reason.

    What happened just before that is as irrelevant as what he had for breakfast that morning.
    Black & white again. I guess context means nothing to you. Only bits of info and you are ready to prosecute.

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    Re: Officer "Go **** Yourself" Threatens to kill journalist

    Quote Originally Posted by JRSaindo View Post
    Black & white again. I guess context means nothing to you. Only bits of info and you are ready to prosecute.
    Nothing black and white about taking all available evidence into account. It is black and white to excuse anything a police officer does, no matter how much it endangers innocent people, with excuses like "He's only human"

    Every job has requirements that must be fulfilled. If one can't do that, then one should not be in that job.
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    Re: Officer "Go **** Yourself" Threatens to kill journalist

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Again, I'm willing to bet I've seen a hell of a lot more of the real world in my life than you have in yours. I get it. You love cops. You defend them even when their own department doesn't. That is real loyalty.
    Furthermore, this does not come from a "hatred" of cops. I like knowing that there are cops around dealing with the worst sorts of people on a regular basis, so I don't have to worry nearly as much that I will have to deal with those types personally.

    What I hate are cops who are unprofessional, corrupt, and who otherwise abuse their power.

    If cops become more dangerous than the criminals they are intended to protect society from, then society can begin to devolve and quickly.

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    Re: Officer "Go **** Yourself" Threatens to kill journalist

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Cops and military are supposed to give a verbal warning whenever possible. It's part of the escalation-of-force procedure, official doctrin.
    Yes, care to give me even a 2 second timestamp from this video that shows this cop escalated from a lower threat level?

    So far as I can see from this video, this guy was ready to shoot, turning 360 before locking onto his intended target. This guy at best was a bully looking for an easy victim that he could abuse to maintain his sense of power.

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    Re: Officer "Go **** Yourself" Threatens to kill journalist

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Agreed. And as I previously said, he probably violated policy. But not illegal and your argument that you somehow magically know why he raised his rifle in the first place is done.
    It doesnt matter why he initially raised the rifle. Lets just assume that the reason for him to raise his rifle was in response to a legitimate threat. That part is fine. Whats not fine is swinging the rifle around to point it at other people who just walked up and posed no threat and then making a threat on their life. That is the problem. If he had just kept the weapon pointing at the person that made the threat (again assuming there was a person who posed a threat to the cop) then I wouldnt have a problem with this.

    Honestly I cant believe people are actually trying to defend this guy. It boggles my mind that there are people who think its ok to point a loaded weapon at someone who isnt a threat.

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    Re: Officer "Go **** Yourself" Threatens to kill journalist

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    The goal of police needs to be to protect citizens from other people and help them in the pursuit of justice.
    Perhaps you should do some research into this system before you idolize too much. A large amount of case and statutory law has made it very clear that the police are under no obligation to protect citizens.

    Warren v. District of Columbia
    DeShaney v. Winnebago County
    Castle Rock v. Gonzales
    Balistreri v. Pacifica Police Department
    Et cetera.

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    Re: Officer "Go **** Yourself" Threatens to kill journalist

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Please, feel free to point out anywhere in my comment you responded to where I "excused" or "justified" the officer's actions. I did say that he should be off duty immediately and in for at least a long break from duty. I also said that considering the past couple of weeks in Ferguson, the officer may be under a lot of stress and that he was clearly at a dangerous point in his mental state. So what part of that excuses or justifies? It tries to provide a rationale but I refused, as was the author of the OP's want, to call the officer a terrorist.

    Unlike most people on the left, most of us on the right don't see this as a partisan or ideological issue and are prepared to condemn the actions of the officer here and have said it's wrong, even though we generally support law enforcement and those who do that difficult job.
    From my perspective, the first line unravels the second. Had you not included it, I should have not responded as such.
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    Re: Officer "Go **** Yourself" Threatens to kill journalist

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Furthermore, this does not come from a "hatred" of cops. I like knowing that there are cops around dealing with the worst sorts of people on a regular basis, so I don't have to worry nearly as much that I will have to deal with those types personally.

    What I hate are cops who are unprofessional, corrupt, and who otherwise abuse their power.

    If cops become more dangerous than the criminals they are intended to protect society from, then society can begin to devolve and quickly.
    Sounds perfectly reasonable to me!
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