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    Re: ISIL Beheads American Photojournalist in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Sure, just go back to Old Testament tactics. That is why there was so much peace in the world back then....

    The problem is going in there in the first place. Had we left the dictator Saddam in power, he would still be contained and none of this would have ever happened.
    Unless you have a time machine you are going to have to come up with another plan.

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    Re: ISIL Beheads American Photojournalist in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    That really makes us no better than them if we were to allow that to happen and it will only spark more anger against us, needing then to kill more families and innocent people. Call me a pacifist all you want but atleast I don't sink to their level.
    Survival is not a popularity contest. At this point they seem to have enough anger to bury women and children alive. Do you think pissing them off more will make any difference? Your perspective is from the safety of your home on the other side of the planet. WHEN, not if, it starts happening here you will change your mind. Either that or you will die and it won't matter anyway.

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    Re: ISIL Beheads American Photojournalist in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Sure, just go back to Old Testament tactics. That is why there was so much peace in the world back then....

    The problem is going in there in the first place. Had we left the dictator Saddam in power, he would still be contained and none of this would have ever happened.
    This is an odd argument. We kept Saddam contained in the 90s by flying continual sorties and blowing his s*** up once in a while. All the while Saddam brutalized the civilian population of Iraq.

    So bombing ISIS now is essentially a return to the way things were in the 1990s. ISIS is as "contained" as Saddam was...
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    Re: ISIL Beheads American Photojournalist in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Yet history is so repleat with examples where doing nothing ended up with a body count magnitudes greater than doing something at a particular point of time that arguing for the former cannot be said to actually advocate for peace.

    Don't you think it would be more fruitful to offer some alternate suggestions here instead of just falling back on trite cliches? THis "we create terrorists" mantra gets pretty old after a while, since it shifts the reponsibility for behavior away from the perps and on to us, instead. We did not create the culture that produces all this terrorism. The best we can hope is to influence it and contain it.
    We need to find another brutal dictator to prop up in Iraq. Any of Saddam's grand kids old enough?
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    Re: ISIL Beheads American Photojournalist in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by tech30528 View Post
    Unless you have a time machine you are going to have to come up with another plan.
    We need to go back to the only thing that has ever worked for us in the Middle East. Prop up brutal dictators that are somewhat friendly to us, sell them arms, and keep them contained.
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    Re: ISIL Beheads American Photojournalist in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    There is a wee bit of difference between going into a country and attempting to conquer the country vs attacking fundamentalist extremists. And hey...if all the accounts are true its REALLY just a small minority of Muslims that are fundamentalist extremists and SURELY the vast majority of Muslims will support an all out offensive against those that are killing Muslim, Jew, and gentile alike...right?
    That's why we are seeing all these peaceful demonstrations by the vast majority of Muslims who are against the extremists.
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    Re: ISIL Beheads American Photojournalist in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    This is an odd argument. We kept Saddam contained in the 90s by flying continual sorties and blowing his s*** up once in a while. All the while Saddam brutalized the civilian population of Iraq.
    And us and the rest of the rest of the world were all the better off because of it...

    So bombing ISIS now is essentially a return to the way things were in the 1990s. ISIS is as "contained" as Saddam was...
    With the exception that Saddam was a brutal dictator that didn't have any religious world domination motivations. He was just your typical mideast dictator. ISIS is what you get over there when you take down the brutal dictators.
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    Re: ISIL Beheads American Photojournalist in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    We need to find another brutal dictator to prop up in Iraq. Any of Saddam's grand kids old enough?
    There are really only these two possibilties considering the backwardness of the cultures involved, and so the lesser of two evils WOULD indicate a strong-armed leader is necessary. We cannot turn them into us. We cannot force them to advance their cultural values untold centuries forward in time. The best we can hope is that strong armed leaders can emerge more in the fashion of a Kemel Ataturk than a Saddam Hussein.
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    Re: ISIL Beheads American Photojournalist in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    We need to go back to the only thing that has ever worked for us in the Middle East. Prop up brutal dictators that are somewhat friendly to us, sell them arms, and keep them contained.
    That didn't prevent things like 9/11

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    Re: ISIL Beheads American Photojournalist in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    We need to go back to the only thing that has ever worked for us in the Middle East. Prop up brutal dictators that are somewhat friendly to us, sell them arms, and keep them contained.
    Close. We need to prop up kingdoms. We need to prop up an Emir. We need to look to the successful models of government that actually work in the middle east and we need to better understand how their culture works. We also need to engage countries like Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Qatar, UAE, Oman, etc to work with an support a leader or regime if you will.

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