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Brown paid for cigars - Ferguson Police Busted – Attempt To Defame [WL:168]

Re: Brown paid for cigars - Ferguson Police Busted – Attempt To Defame Shooting Vict

Clearly, stealing some cigars is punishable by death without a trial.

Oh come on Rocket, you don't really believe that's what happened, do you?
 
Re: Brown paid for cigars - Ferguson Police Busted – Attempt To Defame [WL:168]

Officer Wilson is not going to make any pubic statements regarding the facts of this case while it is under investigation and I certainly wouldn't dismiss the Police Departments statements as third party hearsay. Other than that, there are other third party statements regarding the Officer's version and the statements of Johnson himself.

If that doesn't suit you, then don't comment on it...
I do not know, but suspect, that Officer Wilson has completed some type of formal incident report.
That report is likely withheld during the investigation, but should be available to the grand Jury,
as a matter of public record.
 
Re: Brown paid for cigars - Ferguson Police Busted – Attempt To Defame [WL:168]

Officer Wilson is not going to make any pubic statements regarding the facts of this case while it is under investigation and I certainly wouldn't dismiss the Police Departments statements as third party hearsay. Other than that, there are other third party statements regarding the Officer's version and the statements of Johnson himself.

If that doesn't suit you, then don't comment on it...


Oh yes because the Ferguson PD has no history of corruption and we should just take their word for it and not dismiss it. Didn't you just point out how people can lie to make themselves or perhaps their own police department look good....
 
Re: Brown paid for cigars - Ferguson Police Busted – Attempt To Defame [WL:168]

Oh yes because the Ferguson PD has no history of corruption and we should just take their word for it and not dismiss it.


Do whatever you want...


Didn't you just point out how people can lie to make themselves or perhaps their own police department look good....

Yes, I did...and that includes you....
 
Re: Brown paid for cigars - Ferguson Police Busted – Attempt To Defame Shooting Vict

Yes, not only should we wait for confirmation before we draw conclusions, but we should note that he was not shot for stealing cigars to begin with.
 
Re: Brown paid for cigars - Ferguson Police Busted – Attempt To Defame Shooting Vict

They don't contradict each other. When Officer Wilson initially encountered Brown and his friend walking in the middle of the street and interfering with traffic, he didn't know about the robbery. Only later, when Wilson pulled forward to observe them, did he receive the call about the robbery.

IF that was believable, what prompt him to leave the "sick call"? That was what Chief Jackson said.
 
Re: Brown paid for cigars - Ferguson Police Busted – Attempt To Defame Shooting Vict

Oh come on Rocket, you don't really believe that's what happened, do you?

No, but then I really don't see where this comes in to play. Yeah, maybe he stole some cigars. Maybe not. At any rate, it shouldn't make a difference in why he would have gotten shot and killed.
 
Re: Brown paid for cigars - Ferguson Police Busted – Attempt To Defame Shooting Vict

IF that was believable, what prompt him to leave the "sick call"? That was what Chief Jackson said.

It's certainly believable and doesn't contradict anything we know so far, but as far as the sick call, I don't have a clue. Maybe he wanted to handle the situation off the record....there are some good people out there you know. Maybe he was really sick. Your guess is as good as mine....
 
Re: Brown paid for cigars - Ferguson Police Busted – Attempt To Defame Shooting Vict

No, but then I really don't see where this comes in to play. Yeah, maybe he stole some cigars. Maybe not. At any rate, it shouldn't make a difference in why he would have gotten shot and killed.

It doesn't make a difference as far as him getting shot. He didn't get shot for stealing. But you know enough about what goes in courts, and it certainly isn't a good reflection on his state of mind that night, and his character, and pokes a lot of holes in the notion of "he was a good boy, wouldn't do a thing wrong, this cop is a monster".
 
Re: Brown paid for cigars - Ferguson Police Busted – Attempt To Defame Shooting Vict

No, but then I really don't see where this comes in to play. Yeah, maybe he stole some cigars. Maybe not. At any rate, it shouldn't make a difference in why he would have gotten shot and killed.

That's a very simplistic way of looking at things. It certainly would have affected how Brown perceived the Police Officer, and quite likely, how the Police Officer perceived Brown. Initially, Brown and his friend were merely a nuisance in the road and then they became robbery suspects. That completely changes the dynamics of the interaction between them. Maybe Brown couldn't afford to get into any more trouble, for whatever reason. To suggest that the robbery is irrelevant to what happened afterward is simply naïve.

You might as well just come out and say, if the autopsy don't fit, you must acquit, because that's what such naivete amounts to...
 
Re: Brown paid for cigars - Ferguson Police Busted – Attempt To Defame Shooting Vict

That's a very simplistic way of looking at things. It certainly would have affected how Brown perceived the Police Officer, and quite likely, how the Police Officer perceived Brown. Initially, Brown and his friend were merely a nuisance in the road and then they became robbery suspects. That completely changes the dynamics of the interaction between them. Maybe Brown couldn't afford to get into any more trouble, for whatever reason. To suggest that the robbery is irrelevant to what happened afterward is simply naïve.

You might as well just come out and say, if the autopsy don't fit, you must acquit, because that's what such naivete amounts to...

I would say that if the autopsy don't fit you must acquit. If the evidence doesn't fit the cop's story, then that would make a big difference in the case.
 
Re: Brown paid for cigars - Ferguson Police Busted – Attempt To Defame Shooting Vict

Has anybody considered that his friend wasn't lying at all. That they did rob the store, and that he was surrendering? It's not out of the question, I don't think.
 
Re: Brown paid for cigars - Ferguson Police Busted – Attempt To Defame Shooting Vict

I would say that if the autopsy don't fit you must acquit. If the evidence doesn't fit the cop's story, then that would make a big difference in the case.

This isn't the official autopsy and the doctor doing it is not the coroner.
 
Re: Brown paid for cigars - Ferguson Police Busted – Attempt To Defame Shooting Vict

I would say that if the autopsy don't fit you must acquit. If the evidence doesn't fit the cop's story, then that would make a big difference in the case.

Ya, well, bully on me for suggesting an idiom that you were likely to run with. Where the hell did you go to school, at Our Lady of childlike understanding?
 
Re: Brown paid for cigars - Ferguson Police Busted – Attempt To Defame Shooting Vict

Has anybody considered that his friend wasn't lying at all. That they did rob the store, and that he was surrendering? It's not out of the question, I don't think.

Arms above the head, in a surrender position, can not account for multiple wounds from a single round, and there are at least two rounds that caused multiple wounds. That's why these idiots at the Press conference came out with these wild hypotheticals about additional rounds being fired. That's all they have to try and explain away the obvious....
 
Re: Brown paid for cigars - Ferguson Police Busted – Attempt To Defame Shooting Vict

Arms above the head, in a surrender position, can not account for multiple wounds from a single round, and there are at least two rounds that caused multiple wounds. That's why these idiots at the Press conference came out with these wild hypotheticals about additional rounds being fired. That's all they have to try and explain away the obvious....

The original witness said Brown was laying down with hands up when executed. The news has since changed it to "had hands up" while leaving the layign part down.
 
Re: Brown paid for cigars - Ferguson Police Busted – Attempt To Defame Shooting Vict

The original witness said Brown was laying down with hands up when executed. The news has since changed it to "had hands up" while leaving the layign part down.

They said a lot of things that aren't compatible with the autopsy report. Other than that, I'm not sure what your point is.
 
Re: Brown paid for cigars - Ferguson Police Busted – Attempt To Defame Shooting Vict

This isn't the official autopsy and the doctor doing it is not the coroner.

Besides the initial autopsy, Dr. Baden provided a second. In his press conference he was asked about x-rays and confirmed that the proper photos were taken during the first autopsy of the body/positions of the bullets.

Baden is a nationally recognized expert witness, so I'm certain he and his people, who are comfortable with high-profile media attention, were fastidiously thorough. Whomever's performing this third autopsy is going to be repeating his work, and with three sets of documentation, there is surely going to be commonality in them.
 
Re: Brown paid for cigars - Ferguson Police Busted – Attempt To Defame Shooting Vict

Ya, well, bully on me for suggesting an idiom that you were likely to run with. Where the hell did you go to school, at Our Lady of childlike understanding?

So, no attention should be paid to the evidence? We get that you think Brown deserved it, but all evidence that you don't like should be ignored?

Sounds about right...:roll:
 
Re: Brown paid for cigars - Ferguson Police Busted – Attempt To Defame Shooting Vict

This isn't the official autopsy and the doctor doing it is not the coroner.

I'm not saying anything about this autopsy in general. But I would say that it should be determined on the evidence, not what some people want the verdict to be.
 
Re: Brown paid for cigars - Ferguson Police Busted – Attempt To Defame Shooting Vict

:doh
The only holes are in the accounts against the Officer.
His account has no holes in it.

Actually one other person has some holes in them.
 
Re: Brown paid for cigars - Ferguson Police Busted – Attempt To Defame Shooting Vict

So, no attention should be paid to the evidence?


I've been arguing the autopsy results on this forum for a few days now, and I've been pointing out why such evidence as yours is contradicted by those results. If you are unable to comprehend that, then I'm not sure what to tell you. You pretty much do what other people are doing. It goes in one ear and out the other while they busily shoot their mouths off about things they know nothing about. If anyone is ignoring evidence here, it is you, but that's just par for the course considering that there aren't a whole lot of people, especially in the Black community, who really do want to know what happened. Better to just bury it, blame someone else, and let the killing and mayhem continue...and make no mistake about it, continue it will and it can only get worse as time goes on. Who the hell cares about some young Black kid, or the hundreds each year, who throw their lives away because the adults in their lives are too cowardly to put a stop to this madness, and that's just what it is, madness. Just so long as they can be used as political martyrs. That's the important thing.

This whole thing disgusts me to no end








We get that you think Brown deserved it.


Didn't anybody ever tell you it's dangerous to play with loaded words. You don't have a clue what I think. If Brown attacked and beat this Officer, which now seems likely, he was justified in using lethal force. Period, end of discussion, and you keep firing until the threat is resolved. Officer Wilson may have been the person that pulled the trigger, but he's not the one that killed him. Michael Brown was dead long before Wilson ever came in contact with him. That distinction goes to the people and leaders of his community who have let this pathology fester for decades, with the result being that you now have a generation of especially young Black men who don't know how to navigate social encounters without acting violently, and that behavior is learned and taught. It's not something you're born with.
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but all evidence that you don't like should be ignored?


I've already explained to you why certain evidence should be dismissed if it conflicts with the autopsy. Other than that, and to repeat myself, you don't get to create hypotheticals that are designed for the sole purpose to fit the evidence. Rather, the evidence either supports the Officer's version or it supports Johnson's version. That's it. That's the reality of the situation. Fishing for reasons to turn this Officer into something he probably isn't, is immoral, to say the least, and it ought to stop. But it won't, because people are too cowardly to do it..



Sounds about right...:roll:



You can roll your eyes all you want and pat yourself on the back. Congratulations, you seem to be in good company...
 
Re: Brown paid for cigars - Ferguson Police Busted – Attempt To Defame [WL:168]

It does show him at the counter. It is true that you can't tell if he paid or not. However, you don't know that he didn't.

The lawyer who stated that the store did not report a robbery was the store's lawyer.

And the police report about the robbery is public and simply proves the lawyer wrong.
 
Re: Brown paid for cigars - Ferguson Police Busted – Attempt To Defame Shooting Vict

The original witness said Brown was laying down with hands up when executed. The news has since changed it to "had hands up" while leaving the layign part down.
No he did not.

No witness has said Brown was lying down
 
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