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Brown paid for cigars - Ferguson Police Busted – Attempt To Defame [WL:168]

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csense said:
Yea, and what's your point. Unless you have evidence that the autopsy was fabricated, then shut the hell up about it...
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Mmmm seems to have hit a raw nerve with you. Interesting.
 
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grip said:
Only in your opinion does the evidence, so far, completely support Wilson's version of the events. The whole thing could even be a big mistake, where Brown was walking forward with arms up surrendering and the cop mistakenly assumed Brown was coming forward in another attack. Wilson then started firing to stop him, causing Brown to fall forward out of fear and get two wounds in the head?
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Again, and I'm only going to say this one more time, it has to fit either the Officer's version of events or that of Johnson. That is the reality of the situation. You don't get the opportunity to create hypotheticals that are solely designed to fit the evidence using ideal circumstances.

The autopsy supports the Officer's version of events. It does not support Johnson's version.
 
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csense said:
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Again, and I'm only going to say this one more time, it has to fit either the Officer's version of events or that of Johnson. That is the reality of the situation. You don't get the opportunity to create hypotheticals that are solely designed to fit the evidence using ideal circumstances.

The autopsy supports the Officer's version of events. It does not support Johnson's version.
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For real? There is no chance that both of them are lying or maybe perhaps just don't recall the events as they really happened? As you yourself said, people lie to make themselves look good.
 
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CanadaJohn said:
Good morning Rocket,

I'm not going to join in on ganging up on you for creating this thread and posting the link. You actually do a service by showing how wild speculation and flat out lies can be spread and validated by their appearance on the internet. It is remarkable, in my view, that mere conjecture, no better informed than yours or mine, gets status as fact because it appears on some site that has the appearance of legitimacy. The internet is great, but too many people, and often mostly young people, eat up every word as if it was gospel truth.
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Thank you for not joining in on the "hate on rocket"-fest that this turned into. There are certain posters who have turned attacking me into a sport.

I admitted from the very beginning that the title was misleading. However, I think that it's important to consider any and all evidence that comes to light. It is sad that nobody would want to consider this because it contradicts their preferred version. It may be that the officer was justified, but I am not prepared to say that I'm convinced of that quite yet. The FB post from a radio station called "The Viper" is not something that I'm prepared to take as truth, but some people seem to think that it's far more trustworthy than my source because it backs up their beliefs.

It seems to me that there is not much proof either way.
 
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dirtpoorchris said:
Mmmm seems to have hit a raw nerve with you. Interesting.
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Raw nerve? Please...

I tire of the nonsense and idiocy surrounding this case.
 
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Excon said:
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Then by all means, point out these holes. I assure you, you have none. Which most likely means you do not know of all the known evidence.

So start pointing them out.

Let me give you an indication of what a hole might look like.
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Chief Jackson first said that officer Wilson left a "sick call" to respond to the robbery where he confronted Brown because he fitted the description. Then he later come out and said that officer Wilson had no knowledge of the robbery when he confronted Brown. He stop him because he was bloacking traffic.

These are not my words but his.

I think you are not interested in knowing the truth because you wouldn't even question these two conflicting stories. But yet you demonize the two conflicting accounts from Brown's friend. You just want to justify the shooting because obviously if a white cop killed a black teenager then there is nothing to question because all cops are good. :roll:
 
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apdst said:
No need to.
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Then I recommend you don't accuse me of s*** I didn't say or do.
 
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americanwoman said:
For real? There is no chance that both of them are lying or maybe perhaps just don't recall the events as they really happened? As you yourself said, people lie to make themselves look good.
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When the evidence contradicts whatever statements are made, then we know for a fact that it is a lie. So far, the evidence doesn't contradict the Officer's version of events. In fact, such evidence supports it.

If all you can do is simply call this Officer a liar in spite of the evidence, then you don't have much at all, if anything...
 
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Ockham said:
Can someone point out the credit / bank card or cash in the video at this BLOG? I watched it a bunch of times and can't make out him paying and getting a receipt which is standard practice for purchasing something at a store. Huh....

And really, aren't blogs the most unbiased and truthful sources available? They simply NEVER try to push a specific point of view do they? :lamo
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He paid for the cigars with $hoving, look!

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Police busted!! :roll:

Fun game: Walk into your local convenience store and look where they keep the cigars. If "Big Mike" was going to be stealing cigars he would be leaning over the counter to grab them. Hey look, a video of "Big Mike" leaning way over the counter and coming back with a fist full of cigars! Imagine that...
 
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tres borrachos said:
So now that you know the other guy in the video said they were robbing the place (which contradicts the blog), and now that you've seen pictures and unedited video of Brown attacking the clerk, what do you think of the conclusion the blog made?
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I don't think you can make many conclusions at all based on it. I find it odd that they would have to rob the place for a few packages of cigars, and not say, money. With no sound, it's hard to tell what may have been said, and I think it's hard to say with any certainty what the real truth is.
 
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jmotivator said:
He paid for the cigars with $hoving, look!

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Police busted!! :roll:

Fun game: Walk into your local convenience store and look where they keep the cigars. If "Big Mike" was going to be stealing cigars he would be leaning over the counter to grab them. Hey look, a video of "Big Mike" leaning way over the counter and coming back with a fist full of cigars! Imagine that...
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Clearly, stealing some cigars is punishable by death without a trial.
 
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rcart76 said:
Then I recommend you don't accuse me of s*** I didn't say or do.
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Just speaking the truth. Don't like it? Don't say it, if you don't want to get called on it.
 
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rocket88 said:
Clearly, stealing some cigars is punishable by death without a trial.
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The cops shouldn't protect themselves.
 
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csense said:
When the evidence contradicts whatever statements are made, then we know for a fact that it is a lie. So far, the evidence doesn't contradict the Officer's version of events. In fact, such evidence supports it.

If all you can do is simply call this Officer a liar in spite of the evidence, then you don't have much at all, if anything...
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Where is the officer's version, beside from third parties? Where has the officer himself made a statement?

I am not calling anyone a liar until all the real evidence is presented. I am simply being realistic that either side can be lying at this point where nothing really is known except hearsay.
 
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rocket88 said:
Clearly, stealing some cigars is punishable by death without a trial.
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Please stop with the extremist hyperbole.
 
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rocket88 said:
I don't think you can make many conclusions at all based on it. I find it odd that they would have to rob the place for a few packages of cigars, and not say, money. With no sound, it's hard to tell what may have been said, and I think it's hard to say with any certainty what the real truth is.
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You are familiar with the concept of shoplifting?
 
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rocket88 said:
I don't think you can make many conclusions at all based on it. I find it odd that they would have to rob the place for a few packages of cigars, and not say, money. With no sound, it's hard to tell what may have been said, and I think it's hard to say with any certainty what the real truth is.
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You're STILL pushing that lie??
 
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You're still calling people liars ?
apdst said:
You're STILL pushing that lie??
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rocket88 said:
Clearly, stealing some cigars is punishable by death without a trial.
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Look, Rocket, you were the one who posted this video as proof that Brown paid for the cigars. I am pointing out that this "evidence" is flimsy as all hell and that in order to steal cigars from a convenience store you are required to be at the counter where the cigars are kept. Video of Brown standing at the counter is consistent with a guy stealing cigars... as is leaning way over the counter as Brown does since the cigars are usually kept on the wall behind the counter.

Also, He was not shot for stealing the cigars, he was shot for attacking a police officer.

Trying to paint Mike Brown as a poor young kid in order to convict a police officer opens the door for people to point out that sweet innocent lil' Mikey Brown was actually "Big Mike" a 6'4" 290lb street thug.
 
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rcart76 said:
Chief Jackson first said that officer Wilson left a "sick call" to respond to the robbery where he confronted Brown because he fitted the description. Then he later come out and said that officer Wilson had no knowledge of the robbery when he confronted Brown. He stop him because he was bloacking traffic.

These are not my words but his.

I think you are not interested in knowing the truth because you wouldn't even question these two conflicting stories. :
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They don't contradict each other. When Officer Wilson initially encountered Brown and his friend walking in the middle of the street and interfering with traffic, he didn't know about the robbery. Only later, when Wilson pulled forward to observe them, did he receive the call about the robbery.
 
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I've never heard anyone accuse you of telling the truth apdst .
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Just speaking the truth. Don't like it? Don't say it, if you don't want to get called on it.
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rocket88 said:
Thank you for not joining in on the "hate on rocket"-fest that this turned into. There are certain posters who have turned attacking me into a sport.

I admitted from the very beginning that the title was misleading. However, I think that it's important to consider any and all evidence that comes to light. It is sad that nobody would want to consider this because it contradicts their preferred version. It may be that the officer was justified, but I am not prepared to say that I'm convinced of that quite yet. The FB post from a radio station called "The Viper" is not something that I'm prepared to take as truth, but some people seem to think that it's far more trustworthy than my source because it backs up their beliefs.

It seems to me that there is not much proof either way.
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Totally agree with you. Even though I have an inherent bias towards the police in such instances, I've also seen enough to know that they occasionally overreact. I will admit, the video from the store fed my inherent bias as well, but I'm not adverse to hearing differing takes on things - I don't mind being challenged in that way. I too have been wrong in first impressions.

I will say, to your last point, when the media circus comes to town, with all the flotsam that drifts in with it, proof is usually a second thought and often a casualty until the actual trial takes place. I think we saw a lot of that in the Zimmerman trial and circus.
 
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The video isn't worth a damn, and what store video camera moves around like that. It's like it was held in someone's hand. Looks like he dumps stuff on the floor and then picked up some stuff and left. Hopefully I watched the correct video. I didn't see any money or anything else like that. BTW, why are store surveillence videos always so ****ty?
 
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rocket88 said:
I don't think you can make many conclusions at all based on it. I find it odd that they would have to rob the place for a few packages of cigars, and not say, money. With no sound, it's hard to tell what may have been said, and I think it's hard to say with any certainty what the real truth is.
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True. I only have his friend's say so. And if it turns out his buddy lied, it won't bode well for the anti-Wilson crowd, who I'm going to guess (not sure, just guessing) include the people who run that website, because it will mean the guy's a liar, and his "eyewitness testimony" as far as the shooting will be taken with a grain of salt.

I see there were also witnesses in there, so we'll also have to see what they say.
 
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americanwoman said:
Where is the officer's version, beside from third parties? Where has the officer himself made a statement?

I am not calling anyone a liar until all the real evidence is presented. I am simply being realistic that either side can be lying at this point where nothing really is known except hearsay.
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Officer Wilson is not going to make any pubic statements regarding the facts of this case while it is under investigation and I certainly wouldn't dismiss the Police Departments statements as third party hearsay. Other than that, there are other third party statements regarding the Officer's version and the statements of Johnson himself.

If that doesn't suit you, then don't comment on it...
 
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