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Brown paid for cigars - Ferguson Police Busted – Attempt To Defame [WL:168]

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I have no idea what he lied about. Do you?

If he told the truth about robbing the store, then this blog is a joke. If he lied about robbing the store, the blog may be right - but that makes him a liar, doesn't it, and a liar's testimony is usually discounted as a lie.

See how easy that is?

I don't know, and neither do you. You're pretending to, but you don't.
 
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Better tell leading Libertarian voices that:

BBC News - Is Ferguson the start of a 'libertarian moment'



http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/aug/19/ron-paul-local-police-not-supposed-warriors/



They seem to be opposed to the militarization of police forces period. Don't let the facts get in your way once again. Remember, no other witnesses.

Changing the goalposts doesn't repair your broken argument.
 
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I didn't see him attack the clerk in the video. Which part were you watching?

Would it make a single bit of difference to you?
 
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I don't know, and neither do you. You're pretending to, but you don't.

LMAO no I'm not. You're the one who posted a link that would in fact label the guy a liar. Come on Rocket, don't be intentionally obtuse.
 
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Now, on to this. Tell me, what does a police officer in Ferguson MO have to do with Barack Obama, Congress, the Senate, spending, wars, SCOTUS, etc. Go on, please do tell. Because I can't think of anything.

You know as well as I do when a Libertarian says we need small government he/she sure as **** isn't talking about a police officer in Ferguson, Missouri.

Libertarianism isn't just about spending and taxes. It is about personal freedom, and the right to be free from undue police harassment. It is about the government being too powerful - not just too big, but too powerful. Police power falls under the umbrella of government power.
 
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Well nobody is denying that Brown and the clerk exchange words. Also if you look at the video, the clerk is trying to stop Brown from leaving. This is why he grab him by the neck and push him aside.

I love how you characterize strong arm robbery as "exchanging words". :lamo
 
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Would it make a single bit of difference to you?

It would, but I'm not pretending to see something in the video that I didn't see. Would it make a difference to you if he didn't?
 
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You said when the police arrest someone but release him, it's because he was innocent.

Lmao, now you're just making things up. Here is the post again:

------ Do those words mean anything to you? These people weren't charged with anything, they were wrongfully arrested and released without charges. They're innocent. Am I seriously explaining this to you?

Oh ffs. Are you kidding me? Is this from the same logic that brings us the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence? Are you part of the group that says pepper spray is just food stuff? Here's a clue for you bud, if you're arrested and you aren't charged with anything - you are an INNOCENT PERSON. You were an innocent person the entire time. You weren't charged with anything after your arrest? You are an innocent person. You were not violating any laws. That's why you weren't charged. You weren't doing anything illegal, there was no reason to arrest you.

I stated a person who isn't charged with a crime is innocent - That is a fact under US law.
I stated a person who is arrested is still innocent - That is a fact under US law.
I stated a person who is charged with a crime is still innocent. That is a fact under US law.

As a matter of fact, the only time you're guilty of a crime is when you're convicted of such. That is a fact under US law. Are you disputing these facts?

You showed nothing to indicate that Wilson answered to Obama. No surprise. Just nonsense about armored vehicles. Did Wilson drive an armored car when he shot Brown, personally provided by Obama? Nope.

Stop flailing and stop posting nonsense. By the way, I am not Rand Paul, so I have no clue why you posted a link about Rand Paul. Can't you speak for yourself?

Good grief, it's like you don't get points made to you with evidence. Local police governments like the one whose actions you vehemently support in Ferguson are dependent on the federal government you hate so much to conduct everyday activities, procure training and equipment etc. That you supposedly stand against big government but somehow support the actions of the local government which is clearly funded/trained/etc. by money from federal government shows a certain... hypocrisie.
 
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You seem to think that his friend lied about Brown surrendering. Now, you believe this part.

I don't believe the blog to be necessarily true or false. It's interesting, if inconclusive evidence. You want to say it doesn't prove anything, fine. Then it doesn't prove anything - either way.

It's not evidence if you have to edit the video to get there.
 
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Would it make a single bit of difference to you?

He either did not see the video or is flat out lying.

I would say the second option is more likely, but I suppose he might just be completely ignorant of what transpired.
 
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I didn't see him attack the clerk in the video. Which part were you watching?


What do you think he's doing here?

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So you don't want to see evidence that goes against your point of view either.

Wow, you're sooooo superior.

Where did I say, or even imply that? You want to rely upon an edited video and a retelling of what happened by folks who weren't anywhere near Ferguson when the event went down as evidence? Really?
 
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Sorry, but... :lamo and continuing to say the same thing over and over to try and prove your ridiculous position is just :beatdeadhorse.

It is hysterical to see him lecture anyone about our legal system when I once tried explaining what "reasonable suspicion" meant as a legal term and he never got it.
 
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It's not evidence if you have to edit the video to get there.

The video shown doesn't really show anything. Not without a doubt at least.

Unless you edited it, you don't know where it was edited.
 
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Don't derail this thread anymore. And if you insist on doing so, don't involve me in it.

Lmao. Tell us all again how the police aren't part of government. Please? It was fun when you were proven wrong and then doubled down by saying they're part of the Missouri government. Do you know what a government is?
 
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I didn't see him attack the clerk in the video. Which part were you watching?

The UNedited video that everyone else in the known universe has access to,
 
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He either did not see the video or is flat out lying.

I would say the second option is more likely, but I suppose he might just be completely ignorant of what transpired.

In his defense, being completely clueless does sound like him. :D
 
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I know many Libertarians, and I don't know any who rant about the size of police forces in cities they don't even live in. Do you?

Yes I do. I see it all the time, particularly those interested in second amendment issues (they tend to be critical of police force motivations in supporting gun control). Those concerns have tended to overlap. Their concern about police supporting gun control measures in other localities tends to overlap with their concern regarding any number of municipality and state policing issues.
 
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What do you think he's doing here?

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Practicing his routine for Dancing With The Stars, obviously.

What else could it be once you have decided his skin color absolves him from any and all responsibility for his actions?
 
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Libertarianism isn't just about spending and taxes. It is about personal freedom, and the right to be free from undue police harassment. It is about the government being too powerful - not just too big, but too powerful. Police power falls under the umbrella of government power.

The police have a purpose in our lives. I am glad they exist in the event that I need them. No more, no less.

I posted pictures for you of Brown attacking the clerk so you can see them. Comments?
 
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What do you think he's doing here?

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Scenes that didn't appear in the video that I saw. Which doesn't mean it didn't happen. It means that the video I saw doesn't show it.
 
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Libertarianism isn't just about spending and taxes. It is about personal freedom, and the right to be free from undue police harassment. It is about the government being too powerful - not just too big, but too powerful. Police power falls under the umbrella of government power.

Has nothing whatsoever to do with this event tres's original post.
 
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Yes I do. I see it all the time, particularly those interested in second amendment issues (they tend to be critical of police force motivations in supporting gun control). Those concerns have tended to overlap.

My husband is a HUGE 2A guy. He is far more concerned about the Liberals trying to impose strict gun controls than he is worried about our local and state police forces doing anything about his guns. The police here don't try to ban guns.
 
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Practicing his routine for Dancing With The Stars, obviously.

What else could it be once you have decided his skin color absolves him from any and all responsibility for his actions?

That's so ironic coming from you.
 
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