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Do you support legalizing gay marriage?[W:667]

Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

TheNextEra said:
Just not as vocally as SSM.
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Then start a thread on hetero cheating spouses and I'll be as loud as you want. Otherwise just can it because you don't know what you're talking about.
 
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WCH said:
Then start a thread on hetero cheating spouses and I'll be as loud as you want. Otherwise just can it because you don't know what you're talking about.
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I can say the same thing in regards to you and gays.
 
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WCH said:
Y'all are pretty good at talking behind someone's back.

I don't fear anything but God's wrath. Especially not you, sweetie.
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1) I don't believe you one bit. Everything you post on this subject reeks of fear.

2) Who you calling "sweetie"? You sure you're not a little gay?
 
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Dragonfly said:
1) I don't believe you one bit. Everything you post on this subject reeks of fear.

2) Who you calling "sweetie"? You sure you're not a little gay?
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Someone who hides his gender sure might be.
 
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WCH said:
I tried to make it clear that I was referring to my own marriage and vows. As a product of our faith, we take them very seriously.
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You are not being very clear when you are espousing for consequences for cheaters. I also noted you really didn't address any points. I'm guessing that means you have nothing to refute with.

WCH said:
Noted. Now get over your hostility.
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Says the pot.
 
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WCH said:
Being forced [under the threat of imprisonment] to give up a good chunk of my hard-earned money so that others can sit on their fat asses or wasting it by sending money overseas is a form of slavery. IMHO
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And how does that differ from big government to small government?

And you are free to move somewhere else. No one is making you stay here.

You also seem very unaware of how your income generating activities are only possible because of the regulatory and security framework your taxes help pay for.
 
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maquiscat said:
You are not being very clear when you are espousing for consequences for cheaters. I also noted you really didn't address any points. I'm guessing that means you have nothing to refute with.



Says the pot.
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I grow weary repeating myself.

TOPIC at hand: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?


NO!
 
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WCH said:
I wouldn't have a problem because I've never cheated on my Wife. (either of them)
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Doesn't matter. This was about a law you said you would like to see put into place. That means that it would apply to everyone. That would make you trying to hold other people to vows that you simply believe they should be making, not ones they actually made. And you want to do this using criminal laws, something not generally done when it comes to breaking a promise/vow, even in a civil agreement.

Also, according to God's law, if you are divorced, you would be cheating by simply having that second wife.
 
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matchlight said:
Once again, I don't understand what you are saying. Another thread about what question I am asking? You are the one who is now introducing the issue of the legality of homosexual sodomy, not me. Why, I have no idea. Anyone who knows even the ABC's of this area of law is well aware the Supreme Court held in Lawrence v. Texas in 2003 that state laws criminalizing sodomy are unconstitutional. Sure, the decision's a result-driven piece of fish wrap whose legal reasoning (if it can be dignified as that) is so thoroughly disingenuous as to border on being flat dishonest--but there it is.

I first spun out an analogy to public nudity to poke fun at the vapid, uninformed assertions I've seen on various threads that same-sex marriage is a constitutional right.
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Which is a strawman since the two arent related.
matchlight said:
The people who make them pretend to understand the constitutional law involved, but before long the pretense becomes obvious. They've never even read the relevant Supreme Court decisions, for God's sake. But they don't care about the constitutional issues anyway, because their narrow minds are already made up.

I then mentioned bigamy, adult incest, and bestiality as examples of sex-related crimes Justice Scalia had listed in Lawrence. What do any of these acts have to do with "the legality of sexual relations, not the subject of this thread, between people of the same sex"--which you claim is the question I am asking? Nothing whatever. So again, why your claim?
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Sex-related crimes is talking about the legality of sexual relations. They have everything to do with each other. And that is not the point in this thread so it is a red hearing to this thread.
 
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WCH said:
read this closely:

I DENOUNCE ANYONE WHO CHEATS ON THEIR MARRIAGE PARTNER!
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And that is your personal position. You also have the right to personally do that. However, that doesn't mean that everyone should or does, nor does it mean that it should be illegal to cheat on your marriage partner, despite your beliefs that cheating on your spouse is wrong.
 
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roguenuke said:
Doesn't matter. This was about a law you said you would like to see put into place. That means that it would apply to everyone. That would make you trying to hold other people to vows that you simply believe they should be making, not ones they actually made. And you want to do this using criminal laws, something not generally done when it comes to breaking a promise/vow, even in a civil agreement.

Also, according to God's law, if you are divorced, you would be cheating by simply having that second wife.
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Hey you want to cheat and avoid the legal penalties?...get a divorce first.

Stop it with the Fundie crap.
 
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WCH said:
Hey you want to cheat and avoid the legal penalties?...get a divorce first.

Stop it with the Fundie crap.
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There is no law against cheating though, not anymore (not enforced outside of the military in this country anyway). This is because that should be between the two people. It is none of yours or society's business if someone cheats on their spouse. Just as it is really none of your business if someone borrows another person's car and gives it back with damage and/or an empty gas tank. That is a civil matter between them. It doesn't involve you and it absolutely should not involve charges of any kind.
 
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Government should not have the right to define the relationships of two consenting adults. Nor should it have the right to control what two consenting adults do to each other, sexually or otherwise.

That's a conservative position, whether you personally agree with homosexuality or not.
 
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WCH said:
Y'all are pretty good at talking behind someone's back.

I don't fear anything but God's wrath. Especially not you, sweetie.
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If it's posted here...how is it, 'behind your back?'

Oh wait, you may not know if you have someone on Ignore.

LOL

This is why I have my signature below, in green.
 
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TheNextEra said:
Well before you go playing mod, re-read my statements, I'm attacking his comments which IS allowed. Also, yes, I can prove his comments hypocritical because he had stated that three is nothing he can do about divorce, adultery, etc. yet he goes after SSM. That IS hypocritical when he says a sin is a sin.

So if you don't like my statements you have some choices. Report them, ignore them, or go pound sand.
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Agreed. Hypocrisy is supportable by evidence, such as what is posted here.

It's not an attack...it's pointing out dishonesty and/or lack of awareness/perception in posting.
 
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Cardinal said:
To be fair, WCH did say he wished adultery would be illegal.
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However he has in the past been unable to describe why he and his church or others have ever stood up and campaigned to prevent adulterers and fornicators from marrying. They condemn them with words perhaps, but do nothing to infringe on their ability to marry. They only speak out to *prevent* gays.

THerein lies the hypocrisy IMO (or 1 example)....they do treat gays differently from other sinners yet cannot explain why. And they havent been able to show any harm that SSM or gays do. While it's very evident that adultery does indeed harm individuals and marriage.

He has chosen to ignore me after I continually pressed him for an answer on this....because he was unable to explain. Yet the hypocrisy remains in print....
 
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I got it. A bit stale, but I got it. I'm sure most people did too.

polisciguy said:
That's true. But this message board also lacks a significant number of rational human beings, so I let tags slide. Also, it is a sad reality that I can totally understand why my post wasn't obvious humor. This is the modern world we live in, and I shake my head.
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WCH said:
read this closely:

I DENOUNCE ANYONE WHO CHEATS ON THEIR MARRIAGE PARTNER!
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But how actively have you spoken out against making it illegal for those adulterers to remarry? Have you started a movement, to align with the movement against SSM? You and your church?
 
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WCH said:
a Fundamentalist I'm not. I don't want Gays corrupting the sanctity marriage and would like cheaters [in a relationship] to pay some sort of price for their indiscretions and you make me out to be a tyrant. 8)

Assumptions
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So I'll ask again. How does SSM affect the sanctity of YOUR marriage?

Does your God have an 'all in, all out' clause? If thats the case we're all destined for Hell, since...hate to tell you this...only about 30% of the world is even Christian. Buddhists, Jews, Muslims...the list is endless believe in many things which would consider mortal sins.

Does their very existent invalidate any of your beliefs, or affect the sanctity of your vows?
 
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roguenuke said:
And that is your personal position. You also have the right to personally do that. However, that doesn't mean that everyone should or does, nor does it mean that it should be illegal to cheat on your marriage partner, despite your beliefs that cheating on your spouse is wrong.
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State laws that criminalize adultery rest on the same basis as laws that make crimes of all sort of other sex-related acts--adult incest, bestiality, prostitution, bigamy, polygamy, and so on. And that is the belief of the majority in a state that those acts are immoral and unacceptable.

If that is no longer a good enough reason for the people of a state to exclude same-sex partners from their marriage laws, it will no longer be a good enough reason to prohibit these other acts, either. If it were unconstitutional to exclude same-sex partners from marriage laws, why would it not also be unconstitutional to continue to exclude partners who were more closely related by blood than some specified degree--i.e. partners in adult incest? You know--equal protection, and all that.

The intellectual dishonesty--or maybe it is just lack of intellect--on display in many people who assert that something in the Constitution prohibits any state from excluding same-sex partners from its marriage laws is stunning. What they are desperate to deny is that declaring a constitutional right to same-sex marriage would remove the basis for laws against a wide range of other acts.

These people want to have their pet activity declared a right, and then, once that's done, arbitrarily deny people the right to engage in public nudity, bestiality, public masturbation, adult incest, bigamy, polygamy and so on. It's funny to watch them try to cook up harmful consequences that legalizing these things would supposedly have, since that is the very thing they constantly accuse people who oppose declaring same-sex marriage a constitutional right of doing. I can't just see the would-be adulterers, nudists, bestialists, etc., furiously accusing everyone of bigotry for denying them their equal rights.
 
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matchlight said:
The intellectual dishonesty--or maybe it is just lack of intellect--on display in many people who assert that something in the Constitution prohibits any state from excluding same-sex partners from its marriage laws is stunning. What they are desperate to deny is that declaring a constitutional right to same-sex marriage would remove the basis for laws against a wide range of other acts.
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Yes, you keep posting that but it misses its mark everytime. Since we know better :mrgreen: Shows a real weakness in your position, to try and belittle opponents.

And btw, so do nearly all the courts so far on this issue.....since they are not finding on your claims at all.
 
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