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Do you support legalizing gay marriage?[W:667]

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WCH said:
He was forced out of business due to his beliefs by the homosexual lobby and their willing sycophants.
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I have to call you out on this one as I hate when people operate off impressions and think they are dealing in facts.

If you are referring to the Masterpiece Bakery of Lakewood, CO (the bakery that was at the root of this controversy last year)... they are alive and well. The bakery is about 100 yards from my office. I go by it every day. Though I can not attest to their financials, it appears they are doing fine (ok..my impression based on direct observation). My guess is the local publicity has resulted in a loyal following of Christian customers.

http://masterpiececakes.com/

Sorry, you can't be footloose and fancy free with the facts....

BTW... in spite of my "progressive" credentials, I am a strong Christian and believe, given the artistic nature of their business, they should have the right to work for who they want to work and not be forced to apply their labor to something they believe is amoral. Gay marriage is a different thing. It is a "bigotry" that has solid Biblical foundation.
 
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Arbo said:
And you have followed the scripture perfectly, your whole life, right?
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The Bible doesn't teach people can reach perfection, so get a new dog. But it does teach that if people want to stay out of Hell they need to repent of their sins. So where's the repentance of practicing gays who want to play Christian?

Arbo said:
There is a difference between actions of individuals, and actions of an organization… specifically religious leaders that order murder and destruction. From the very start of Christianity the church wanted to get rid of the pagans and ordered the destruction of pagan temples. Within the first 5 centuries of 'AD' time, thousands of pagans were murdered, their rituals were deemed illegal and punishable by death. This all came from the heads of the CHURCH.

Charlemagne had over 4500 saxons beheaded because they would not convert to christianity, which was far from the worst mass murdering in the name of the church, the crusades killed off muslims, jews, natives in the 'new land' (americas), all 'infidels' that would not convert to christianity. All sanctioned by the CHURCH.

When they were not murdering people because they refused to convert, they were murdering them because they were 'witches' or 'heretics'.
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Hey - there were plenty of churches around during those times and they weren't all Roman Catholic. So if you want to go to war over a particular denomination go for it. But that's hardly an indictment against the teachings of Jesus and Biblical Christianity, though I know you would love it to be.

Arbo said:
I don't see anyone here that is 'pro-jay'. I see posters that understand what it means to be human, and they understand liberty and freedom and the ideals of this nation.
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There is no liberty in a sinful lifestyle.

Benjamin Rush, a signer of the Declaration of Independence who was also known as the “Father of Public Schools,” once had this to offer: “The only foundation for a republic is…religion. Without it there can be no virtue, and without virtue there can be no liberty.”

Don’t miss the significance of that last statement: “..without virtue there can be no liberty….” The principle is clear – a lack of virtue engenders bondage. As one writer noted, “Intemperate men can never be free because their passions give rise to their fetters (bindings).” The more liberties a godless people achieve, the more enslaved they ultimately become in their worldly obsessions.

Still another founding father, the Reverend John Witherspoon, mirrored Benjamin Rush when he declared, “…Civil liberty cannot long be preserved without virtue….” (righterreport.com)
 
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Logicman said:
I'm not big on unfounded rants about the resurrection of Jesus Christ.
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Like I said, I'm not big on fables and fairy tales. I can appreciate that you believe what's written, but that does not mean I am obligated to or am I obligated to your sense of morality.
 
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Top Cat said:
Like I said, I'm not big on fables and fairy tales. I can appreciate that you believe what's written, but that does not mean I am obligated to or am I obligated to your sense of morality.
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I dont see that it is rational to believe a govt should be expected to...or free people be subjected to....creating and following laws based on fables, fairy tales, myths, etc.
 
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Lursa said:
I dont see that it is rational to believe a govt should be expected to...or free people be subjected to....creating and following laws based on fables, fairy tales, myths, etc.
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Here's a list of the religious affiliations of those who signed the Constitution (scroll down).
Religion of the Founding Fathers of America
 
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nota bene said:
Here's a list of the religious affiliations of those who signed the Constitution (scroll down).
Religion of the Founding Fathers of America
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How is that relevant? I am a practicing Christian yet I support and believe in NOT making other people conform to my religious beliefs. THe framers of our COnstitution knew that our country was founded and settled by MANY looking for *religious freedom.*

Some people are able to look outside indoctrination, dogma, ideology, and see a bigger picture. Like the Founding Fathers.
 
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WCH said:
I 'dislike' what it has become over thelast 100 years.

Progressive filth.
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I like what it's become over the last 100 years. Conservative ignorance has been trumped.
 
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CaptainCourtesy said:
I'd have to re-outline the entire thread. Not in the mood.
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Ok, I figured it was something like that. When so many fun conversations are going on inside of a bigger fun conversation, the thread of each individual small conversation can get lost.
 
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CaptainCourtesy said:
I like what it's become over the last 100 years. Conservative ignorance has been trumped.
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And the Conservatives can live their lives and choose not to be bothered by people they dont agree with if they want and I can live my life and choose not to be bothered by people I dont agree with. It is great.
 
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WCH said:
I 'dislike' what it has become over thelast 100 years.

Progressive filth.
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So you hate that women can vote?
Most of our laws against Child Labor?
That life expectancy has increased by 24 years?
Every piece of technology including the computer you're typing on since 1914?
Travel no longer takes months but at most a few days?
That you can get fruits and vegetables out of season regularly at your local grocery store?

Yeah...that's just terrible. Terrible. /S
 
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CaptainCourtesy said:
I like what it's become over the last 100 years. Conservative ignorance has been trumped.
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Frankly, any male experiencing ED issues should be overjoyed at the last 100 years of discovery.

Oh yeah, I went there. BLUE PILL!

Also, if you go back 100 years, there's no GoT, LOTR, Star Wars, Star Trek, Hobbit, Dr. Who, Friends, How I Met Your Mother, Party of Five, iPods, iPads, Android Phones, reliable cars, widely adopted indoor plumbing, sliced bread, so on and so forth.
 
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Navy Pride said:
Name a Islamic country that does not persecute Christians and Jews.
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There are many...see for yourself.

Islam by country - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Pissed off Muslims has little to do with religion...it's mostly to do with poverty and/or political persecution (the latter was the case for most of/all the 9/11 terrorists).

Islam does not turn nice people into terrorists...poverty and/or political persecution does that...Islam is just the new club for the oppressed. In Roman times it was Christianity for the slaves.
In a few hundred years it will be some other club/religion.
 
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Top Cat said:
Actually it is my business. You want to make adultery illegal. That's between me and my spouse. It is none of your business. We might like to swing. To ea ch his own. Get the **** out of my bedroom,



No I just happen to think other people's sex lives are their business, not mine or yours.

Keep your book out of my bedroom.
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Keep you sex life out the the public sphere. Quit insisting on tarnishing traditional marriage. Quit imposing on private business. Quit lobbying for rights that don't exist. Quit trying to recruit our children into your ideology.
 
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Deuce said:
If it's not my business to support marriage equality, why is it your business to oppose it? Are you the only one allowed to fight for what you think is right?
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As I've said many times, I'm a counter to the homosexual lobby propaganda. If others like me and I don't counter this scourge, no one will.

So if you stop, so will I.
 
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upsideguy said:
I have to call you out on this one as I hate when people operate off impressions and think they are dealing in facts.

If you are referring to the Masterpiece Bakery of Lakewood, CO (the bakery that was at the root of this controversy last year)... they are alive and well. The bakery is about 100 yards from my office. I go by it every day. Though I can not attest to their financials, it appears they are doing fine (ok..my impression based on direct observation). My guess is the local publicity has resulted in a loyal following of Christian customers.

MASTERPIECE CAKESHOP | great cakes since 1993 | 303.763.5754

Sorry, you can't be footloose and fancy free with the facts....

BTW... in spite of my "progressive" credentials, I am a strong Christian and believe, given the artistic nature of their business, they should have the right to work for who they want to work and not be forced to apply their labor to something they believe is amoral. Gay marriage is a different thing. It is a "bigotry" that has solid Biblical foundation.
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Thanks for the update on your local baker. Glad to see he's doing well.

There have been several of these cases (at least the ones made public) around the country. This addresses a couple to which I was referring.

Oregon bakery shuts down after gay rights attacks | Deseret News National
 
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WCH said:
It will be a surprise. Besides that we will all be judged when we die.
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Then what do you have to worry about? You've accepted Christ, you've spread the word. So the question is are you going to follow Jesus' example of letting other people choose and live their lives as they wish or are you going to opposite route against his example and force people to live a "moral" life by the sword....or in this era the gun (read "law")?
 
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Why would I care about gay marriage? I don't care if people keep dogs which I hate. Don't care if people smoke, so long as I don't have to join in. Country Music, don't like that either, but I'm not being forced into listening to it. Same thing, don't think approving gay marriage will make me to rush out, turn gay, find a boyfriend and marry him!.

If gay marriage in some way shape or form actually impacted my life, or how I lead my life maybe I would care, but it doesn't. That's why I am befuddled why for so many it really matters so much.

Maybe we should do away with the word 'marriage', call everything 'civil union'...would that help?
 
Re: Do you support legalizing gay marriage?

WCH said:
As I've said many times, I'm a counter to the homosexual lobby propaganda. If others like me and I don't counter this scourge, no one will.

So if you stop, so will I.
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SSM will be legalized across the nation within the next couple of years, better start packing or getting used to it son.
 
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Tonic said:
Maybe we should do away with the word 'marriage', call everything 'civil union'...would that help?
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Statistics wise you would probably have a better chance at getting struck by lightning before you get the Dem/Rep duopoly to get rid of marriage. So in the meantime, gays are going to fight for marriage and they are winning as they should be.
 
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